Should some beats be avoided?

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Are you saying that artists such as, let's say, Casting Crowns, promote fornication?

Yes.

Careful about lobbing false accusations at brothers in Christ....that's a no-no.

The good thing is that they are not false accusations.

Some heathen thoughts on the matter. Strange how they can see it but the pastors posting here can't.

“That’s what rock is all about--sex with a 100 megaton bomb, the beat!” (Gene Simmons of the rock group Kiss, interview, Entertainment Tonight, ABC, Dec. 10, 1987).

“Sex has been rock music’s number one message since the medium was born” (Why Knock Rock? P. 67).

“The truth is that rock ‘n’ roll is a moral hemlock. It is by nature a music of demonic rebellion and protest. Drugs and sex are its arsenal” (David Noebel, The Legacy of John Lennon, p. 19).

“Rock ‘n’ roll is all sex. One hundred percent sex” (Debbie Harry of the rock band Blondie, cited by Carl Belz, “Television Shows and Rock Music,” as it appeared in The Age of Communication, William Lutz, Goodyear Publishing Company, 1974, p. 398).

“Rock 'n' roll is 99% sex” (John Oates of the rock duo Hall & Oates, Circus, Jan. 31, 1976).

“Rock music involves a neurophysiological conditioning in connotation or felt meaning, linking aggression and sexuality. aggression linked with sexuality. ... Our basic claim is that the rock music itself induces a behavioral link between aggression and sexuality” (Drs. Daniel and Bernadette Skubik, The Neurophysiology of Rhythm).

“Rock ‘n’ roll is pagan and primitive, and very jungle, and that’s how it should be! The moment it stops being those things, it’s dead … the true meaning of rock … is sex, subversion and style” (Malcolm McLaren, punk rock manager, Rock, August 1983, p. 60).

“Rock music is sex. The big beat matches the body’s rhythms” (Frank Zappa of the Mothers of Invention, Life, June 28, 1968).

“... rock music has one appeal only, a barbaric appeal to sexual desire--not love, not eros, but sexual desire undeveloped and untutored. Rock gives children, on a silver platter, with all the public authority of the entertainment industry, everything their parents always used to tell them they had to wait for until they grew up and would understand later” (Allan Bloom, The Closing of the American Mind, New York: Simon and Schuster, 1987, p. 73).

“You don't listen to loud rock; it baptizes you with a liturgy of sex, drugs, perversion and the occult” (Bob Larson, Rock, Wheaton: Tyndale House, 1982).

And the fan favorite.

“Rock concerts are the churches of today. Music puts them on a spiritual plane. All music is God” (Craig Chaquico, Jefferson Airplane guitarist, Why Knock Rock?, p. 96).

BGTF

 

[Mike McK]

There's a time to put people on ignore and a time not to. This is a good time not to.

Sopranette, I've got to be honest with you, I haven't seen them say anything out of line to you.

You, on the other hand, seem to have come here with your mind made up. In a sense, all of us do that because we all have opinions and biases. There's nothing wrong with that, but if you're going to be on a message board where different opinions are being thrown around, you really need to learn to accept that others will disagree with you and that not everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.

By the way, you never did offer any evidence about your claims about Reggae.

 

[Mike McK]

“Rock music involves a neurophysiological conditioning in connotation or felt meaning, linking aggression and sexuality. aggression linked with sexuality. ... Our basic claim is that the rock music itself induces a behavioral link between aggression and sexuality” (Drs. Daniel and Bernadette Skubik, The Neurophysiology of Rhythm).

Yeah, nothing like throwing a little James Taylor on the hi-fi to make you want to go out and have wild sex and beat people up.

Is there some rock music that promotes aggression? Of course.

But what about the rock music that does the opposite? What about the rock music that causes you to relax?

As far as sexuality goes, I understand that everybody is different, but anytime Mrs. MikeMcK and I get amorous, we prefer Nat King Cole.

“You don't listen to loud rock; it baptizes you with a liturgy of sex, drugs, perversion and the occult” (Bob Larson, Rock, Wheaton: Tyndale House, 1982).

Is this the same Bob Larson who claims that Satan sends demons around the country to impersonate him and say and do embarrassing things to try to discredit his "ministry"?

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Strange how they can see it but the pastors posting here can't.

Oh but aren't we thankful you are here to point all this out to us. :BangHead:

I just want to make sure I am getting this right.

You are comparing the likes of Casting Crowns, who profess faith in the Lord Jesus and serve Him as has been referenced many many times on this board to such groups as KISS?

Yet you say there are no false accusations? :BangHead:

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Yeah, nothing like throwing a little James Taylor on the hi-fi to make you want to go out and have wild sex and beat people up.

Is there some rock music that promotes aggression? Of course.

So why introduce people to it through so-called Christian channels?

Everyone who has a drink doesn't beat their wife neither, but every alcoholic wife-beater starts with a little so-called innocent drink. Should the pastor also introduce alcohol to the congregation?

But what about the rock music that does the opposite? What about the rock music that causes you to relax?

If there actually is such a thing as relaxing rock music, being the gateway to furtherance, is it any less evil?

“You don't listen to loud rock; it baptizes you with a liturgy of sex, drugs, perversion and the occult” (Bob Larson, Rock, Wheaton: Tyndale House, 1982).

Is this the same Bob Larson who claims that Satan sends demons around the country to impersonate him and say and do embarrassing things to try to discredit his "ministry"?

Yes, that's why he is listed with the heathen.


BGTF

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Oh but aren't we thankful you are here to point all this out to us. :BangHead:

Considering your sarcanol filled tongue on the matter I can only assume that you are not thankful at all.

I just want to make sure I am getting this right.

You are comparing the likes of Casting Crowns, who profess faith in the Lord Jesus and serve Him as has been referenced many many times on this board to such groups as KISS?

Yes, in fact Casting Crowns causes more trouble. 2 Cor 11:13-15.

Yet you say there are no false accusations? :BangHead:

Yes.


BGTF

 

[ccrobinson]

BGTF, you have stated that some music doesn't have a beat, which means that you are completely uneducated about music. On what basis, then, do you have for thinking that you have the knowledge to teach anybody anything about music? You have provided virtually nothing of value to the music debate. Please go get some basic music instruction first, then you'll be equipped to debate the topic.

 

[Aaron]

Should you avoid certain beats to music, no matter how worshipful the lyrics are? I'm mostly talking about CCM, where some of the beats are very similar to rock. I have not encountered this problem with learning older hymns, though I could be wrong. There is one song I was taught recently that even involved a reggae beat! It is my understanding that, in some parts of the world, certain beats are used to move people spiritually closer to their gods, and should be avoided by Christians. Yes or no?

love,

Sopranette

Short answer, yes.

You will find some good articles on this topic by Dr. Peter Masters, pastor of The Metropolitan Tabernacle (C.H. Spurgeon's church).

http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/masters/worship.shtml

http://www.freedomministries.org.uk/masters/popidiom.shtml

Here's an excellent site concerning biblical principles in worship:

http://www.letthosewhohaveearstohear.com/

 

[Mike McK]

So why introduce people to it through so-called Christian channels?

Is agression bad?

Everyone who has a drink doesn't beat their wife neither, but every alcoholic wife-beater starts with a little so-called innocent drink. Should the pastor also introduce alcohol to the congregation?

What pastor is introducing music that causes people to beat their wives?

If there actually is such a thing as relaxing rock music, being the gateway to furtherance, is it any less evil?

"Any less evil" implies that it was evil to begin with. It is not.

 

[Mike McK]

Strange how they can see it but the pastors posting here can't.

So, who says that their opinion is any more valid than the pastors? For that matter, you have two former professional musicians posting here. Why are our opinions not valid?

 

[tinytim]

Considering your sarcanol filled tongue on the matter I can only assume that you are not thankful at all.


Yes, in fact Casting Crowns causes more trouble. 2 Cor 11:13-15.


Yes.


BGTF

I will not let this go by...
YOu are calling your brothers and sisters in Christ , my brothers and sisters in Christ, troublemakers, and promoters of fornication....

You have at this point fallen into sin.. and let it be known that you have been told, and I am calling on you now to repent. :tear:

God will forgive you.

You have shown the sin in your heart. And you need to be cleansed from that sin...

Casting Crowns are fine Christians, and just because you don't like their music, doesn't mean that you can call them promoters of fornication...
That crossed the line...

Mark Hall stands for truth....
Here.. Here is a song that you should read the lyric too... you might even agree with the relevance part....

CASTING CROWNS LYRICS

"What This World Needs"

What this world needs is not another one hit wonder with an axe to grind
Another two bit politician peddling lies
Another three ring circus society
What this world needs is not another sign waving super saint that's better than you
Another ear pleasing candy man afraid of the truth
Another prophet in an Armani suit

What this world needs is a Savior who will rescue
A Spirit who will lead
A Father who will love them in their time of need
A Savior who will rescue
A Spirit who will lead
A Father who will love
That's what this world needs

What this world needs is for us to care more about the inside than the outside
Have we become so blind that we can't see
God's gotta change her heart before He changes her shirt
What this world needs is for us to stop hiding behind our relevance
Blending in so well that people can't see the difference
And it's the difference that sets the world free

Jesus is our Savior, that's what this world needs
Father's arms around you, that's what this world needs
That's what this world needs



Yep, It sure sounds like they are promoting fornication!!!
Or what about this one...
Maybe you should take this to heart.....

Who am I?
That the Lord of all the earth,
Would care to know my name,
Would care to feel my hurt.
Who am I?
That the bright and morning star,
Would choose to light the way,
For my ever wandering heart.

Bridge:
Not because of who I am,
But because of what you've done.
Not because of what I've done,
But because of who you are.

Chorus:
I am a flower quickly fading,
Here today and gone tomorrow,
A wave tossed in the ocean,
A vapor in the wind.
Still you hear me when I'm calling,
Lord, you catch me when I'm falling,
And you've told me who I am.
I am yours.
I am yours.

Who am I?
That the eyes that see my sin
Would look on me with love
And watch me rise again.
Who am I?
That the voice that calmed the sea,
Would call out through the rain,
And calm the storm in me.

Not because of who I am,
But because of what you've done.
Not because of what I've done,
But because of who you are.


I am a flower quickly fading,
Here today and gone tomorrow,
A wave tossed in the ocean,
A vapor in the wind.
Still you hear me when I'm calling,
Lord, you catch me when I'm falling,
And you've told me who I am.
I am yours.

Not because of who I am,
But because of what you've done.
Not because of what I've done,
But because of who you are.


I am a flower quickly fading,
Here today and gone tomorrow,
A wave tossed in the ocean,
A vapor in the wind.
Still you hear me when I'm calling,
Lord, you catch me when I'm falling,
And you've told me who I am.
I am yours.
I am yours.

I am yours.

Whom shall I fear?
Whom shall I fear?
'Cause I am yours.
I am yours.


I tell you who I am ... a low down, rotten dirty sinner... just like you.
And I am in need of repentance also....
So let's go off and pray.

 

[SaggyWoman]

For me, the beat is not the issue, it is the words.

 

[SaggyWoman]

In fact, a lot of the OLD HYMNS were once bar tunes.

 

[SaggyWoman]

You should attend a black worship service. Everything they sing has a beat.

 

[SaggyWoman]

I'm not saying ALL things enjoyable are sinful. Of course not. That is a huge generalization you are making out of my question. I'm still insisting some beats ARE purely entertainment, and that is why people listen to them. A disco beat would clearly be wrong, but how many people know about the origins of certain beats, like the reggae beat I mentioned before? That was used purposefully to worship a god. We should be careful of that line between worship and empty entertainment, and set ourselves apart from the world.

love,

Sopranette

Should worship be painful??

 

[rbell]

So our friend ByGraceThroughFaith has accused Casting Crowns of promoting fornication.

You, sir, are out of line, and should be absolutely ashamed of yourself.

One of my students was led to Christ by Mark Hall, the lead singer.

IMO, you are committing a grevious sin.

The Bible has a word for the sin of calling a work of God a work of Satan.

It starts with a "B" and ends with "lasphemy."

Look it up.




Oh, BTW...comparing Christian music to domestic abuse is a slap in the face to those women who have been battered. Why not offer an apology, if your dignity allows it?

Your posts rank among the absolutely most ridiculous I've read on the BB in some time.

Even other folks who are quite against any form of modern Christian music don't stoop to your accusations.

Shame on you.

 

[tinytim]

So our friend ByGraceThroughFaith has accused Casting Crowns of promoting fornication.

You, sir, are out of line, and should be absolutely ashamed of yourself.

One of my students was led to Christ by Mark Hall, the lead singer.

IMO, you are committing a grevious sin.

The Bible has a word for the sin of calling a work of God a work of Satan.

It starts with a "B" and ends with "lasphemy."

Look it up.




Oh, BTW...comparing Christian music to domestic abuse is a slap in the face to those women who have been battered. Why not offer an apology, if your dignity allows it?

Your posts rank among the absolutely most ridiculous I've read on the BB in some time.

Even other folks who are quite against any form of modern Christian music don't stoop to your accusations.

Shame on you.

So, are you going to apologize?

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

I will not let this go by...
YOu are calling your brothers and sisters in Christ , my brothers and sisters in Christ, troublemakers, and promoters of fornication....

You have at this point fallen into sin.. and let it be known that you have been told, and I am calling on you now to repent. :tear:

God will forgive you.

You have shown the sin in your heart. And you need to be cleansed from that sin...

One doesn't want to be on the wrong side of Prov 17:15, so here I stand.

Casting Crowns perfectly fits the mold of 2 Cor 11:13-15.

What You are forgetting is that the most devious counterfeit is the one with the least recognizable differences. Gene Simmons, is an obvious open enemy. Casting Crowns being a subtle enemy from within, brings the Trojan horse to mind.

Do you know which members of the band are death metal fans, do you not think that might just affect their ministry? Do you not think that is a sign of their spirituality, or lack thereof?


BGTF

 

[rbell]

Do you know which members of the band are death metal fans, do you not think that might just affect their ministry? Do you not think that is a sign of their spirituality, or lack thereof?

Since you're putting trash out, document it, or consider yourself reported for slander right now.

 

[DHK]

In fact, a lot of the OLD HYMNS were once bar tunes.

This is simply urban myth. Can you verify it through reliable sources?