Should the GOP Dump Their Old Man Candidate

[KenH]

Nikki Haley said, "The first party to retire its 80-year-old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election." The Democrats have done and have reaped massive immediate benefits for having done so.

Should the Republican Party now retire Donald Trump, elevate JD Vance to the top of the ticket, and allow him to pick a new VP candidate?

 

[Van]

Behold yet another false flag operation by the Democrats!

D. J. Trump was on the primary ballots and won the majority vote to be nominated for the office of President. To disenfranchise those voters would be an attack on democracy. That would be what the Democrats are all about.

1) The Democrats let in immigrants

2) The Democrats disallow voter ID.

3) The Democrats disregard the primary process and choose their own candidate..

 

[KenH]

To disenfranchise those voters would be an attack on democracy.

Political parties are not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Constitution was not even set up to have political parties, although they were certainly permitted as history has shown. George Washington and John Adams warned against the rise of having political parties. Prior to the entrenchment of the modern primary system during the 1970s, political parties did not rely on primaries to pick presidential candidates. I would hope that no one would want to suggest that the presidential election contests from 1789 until the 1970s were "an attack on democracy".

Also, a candidate for political office is not obligated to stay in a race all the way to the end. Various reasons can cause a candidate to withdraw at any point during, such death, illness, a family matter, etc. That is why political parties have procedures in place to replace a candidate who withdraws during a race.

 

[JonC]

Nikki Haley said, "The first party to retire its 80-year-old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election." The Democrats have done and have reaped massive immediate benefits for having done so.

Should the Republican Party now retire Donald Trump, elevate JD Vance to the top of the ticket, and allow him to pick a new VP candidate?

Should they? No. Should they have? Yes.

The DNC probably would have had the election in the bank if they had chosen a moderate candidate. The GOP probably would have if they chose a more uniting candidate.

 

[Van]

Bait and switch is used by deceivers and manipulators to attract someone by using an appealing but insincere offer. If the Democrats run a candidate, and then after the primary vote is taken, and the candidate is not doing well in the polls, switches the candidate to one whose actual views are ill defined, that constitutes an attack on democracy.

"In that form, they [Political Parties] are censors of the conduct of each other, and useful watchmen for the public. men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties. 1. those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2dly those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them cherish and consider them as the most honest & safe, ...."

Th: Jefferson
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[KenH]

Th: Jefferson

Yes, Thomas Jefferson was a fan of political parties. George Washington and John Adams were not. George Washington and John Adams have been proven to have been correct. Thomas Jefferson has been proven to have been wrong.

It seems the moaning and groaning among some Republicans is that, while the Democrats were able to return their old, dilapidated candidate and have him replaced with a newer model, the Republicans are still stuck with their old, dilapidated candidate and are too scared of the MAGA folks to return the candidate and replace him with a newer model.

The question for 2028 will be if the GOP will be able to successfully return to being the party of Ronald Reagan, or if it will take several more years to defeat the MAGA National Conservatives and for the Freedom Conservatives to assume control.

 

[JonC]

Bait and switch is used by deceivers and manipulators to attract someone by using an appealing but insincere offer. If the Democrats run a candidate, and then after the primary vote is taken, and the candidate is not doing well in the polls, switches the candidate to one whose actual views are ill defined, that constitutes an attack on democracy.

"In that form, they [Political Parties] are censors of the conduct of each other, and useful watchmen for the public. men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties. 1. those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2dly those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them cherish and consider them as the most honest & safe, ...."

Th: Jefferson
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I agree.....but I don't think Biden was in charge any more than Harris would be if elected. It is party politics.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don’t like JD Vance, he is a climber.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Nikki Haley said, "The first party to retire its 80-year-old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election." The Democrats have done and have reaped massive immediate benefits for having done so.

Should the Republican Party now retire Donald Trump, elevate JD Vance to the top of the ticket, and allow him to pick a new VP candidate?

No

 

[KenH]

I don't think Biden was in charge any more than Harris would be if elected. It is party politics.

Oh, people think that whoever is the president is in much more charge of things than he/she actually is. For instance, the Federal Reserve runs the economy, not the president. And a lot of what a president is in charge of is due to the Congress having ceded much of its power to the executive branch, so that the Representatives and Senators don't have to get their hands dirty in actually making policy and taking responsibility for it.

 

[canadyjd]

I guess we will see if Nikki Haley is a political prophet come November.

You would think if she was so smart she wouldn’t have wasted her time running for POTUS.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

You would think if she was so smart she wouldn’t have wasted her time running for POTUS.

With a large majority of the United States disgusted with the idea of a rerun of the same two old men from 2020, Nikki Haley may have hoped that enough of those voters would support her campaign as an alternative to the GOP's old man to provide her with a chance of victory in the nomination race.

 

[canadyjd]

With a large majority of the United States disgusted with the idea of a rerun of the same two old men from 2020, Nikki Haley may have hoped that enough of those voters would support her campaign as an alternative to the GOP's old man to provide her with a chance of victory in the nomination race.

Of course she did. It was wishful thinking, at best, and she did OK, better than the rest.

I actually was supportive of Haley (I liked Pence first as f all, but he never got traction). But she burnt bridges in the process of wooing the never Trumpers. I know she has endorsed DT now, which makes me wonder why? If she really believes the Dems are gonna win because they dumped Biden, why endorse DT?

peace to you

 

[KenH]

If she really believes the Dems are gonna win because they dumped Biden, why endorse DT?

She may be wanting to keep her options open to run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2028.

 

[canadyjd]

She may be wanting to keep her options open to run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2028.

Probably. I would point to Pence, however. He was clearly a genuine conservative with lots of political experience. Even though he acted constitutionally, and rightly so, on J6, the base never forgave him.

I suspect Haily will face a similar obstacle in 28.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

I suspect Haily will face a similar obstacle in 28.

I have no idea what the political playing field will look like in 2028. I'm just trying to observe the ebbs and flows of 2024.

 

[Van]

Yes, Thomas Jefferson was a fan of political parties. George Washington and John Adams were not. George Washington and John Adams have been proven to have been correct. Thomas Jefferson has been proven to have been wrong.

It seems the moaning and groaning among some Republicans is that, while the Democrats were able to return their old, dilapidated candidate and have him replaced with a newer model, the Republicans are still stuck with their old, dilapidated candidate and are too scared of the MAGA folks to return the candidate and replace him with a newer model.

The question for 2028 will be if the GOP will be able to successfully return to being the party of Ronald Reagan, or if it will take several more years to defeat the MAGA National Conservatives and for the Freedom Conservatives to assume control.

I think former President Jefferson was right. He certainly describes the two parties of today, with the Democrats being the party that fears and distrusts the people, and the Republicans being the party of the people.

 

[KenH]

with the Democrats being the party that fears and distrusts the people, and the Republicans being the party of the people.

 

[Van]

Most people are familiar with that Republican statement in the Gettysburg Address.

 

[Van]

Oh I forgot, you want to say what could be, if you are allowed to tear down what has been. Sounds like Marxist screed to me, no matter how many times she says it.