Should the United States Stop Aiding Ukraine's War Effort?

[KenH]

With a potential government shutdown looming large on October 1, and with what appears to be a quagmire in the war between Russia and Ukraine that could drag on for years, should the United States stop sending aid to Ukraine?

 

[KenH]

I think another thing to keep in mind is that the United States government(meaning taxpayers) is now over $33 trillion in debt with no end in sight to yearly deficits that were unimaginable at the turn of the 21st century.

 

[JonC]

Probably.

Historically the US has made some very bad decisions when it comes to arming others. It works out in our interest in the short term, but not always in the long term. Often this has involved Russia.

We also have to ask to what end. The US promised that the Ukraine would never be in NATO (something the US had no right to promise).

Politics gets strange.

 

[Van]

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Should we appease aggressors until weapons are used against members of NATO?

How did appeasement work to stop Mr. Hitler?

Does anyone think appeasement will work to stop Mr. Putin?

How about North Korea? China?

 

[HatedByAll]

No matter what our policies are, we as a country should be responsible with our money. We are broke, we are bankrupt, yet we still spend money like it just doesn't matter. The question to ask is not "should be support Ukraine," but should be, what is the best use of our money (that we actually have, not what we can borrow.)

Some one else's war is way down the line. Securing our own border, giving our kids a real education, and restoring common since to our industries and business environments should be investments we should make with our money before we spend our money benefiting other countries. There is just not enough money to pay for everything. We must make wise choices of where to spend our money and that means spending money on our own needs first.

Let the Churches handle the humanitarian efforts. They are better at that than any of the governments of the world.

 

[canadyjd]

The US signed an agreement in the mid-90’s promising (with other countries including Russia) that stated…. As best i remember

1. Ukraine gives up all nuclear weapons

2. Russia promises to recognize all existing borders

3. US and other countries promise to help Ukraine if Russia breaks promises.

Personally, I think we should have put nukes back into Ukraine when Russia took Crimea and then got out of the area. It would have cost much less.

You are right about the debt and arms manufacturers are swimming in our money.

Peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

Ukraine and zelynsky being corrupt we should send another dime. Being the the radical left democrat party wants to send it so badly that should be a red flag

 

[KenH]

I think another thing to keep in mind is that the United States government(meaning taxpayers) is now over $33 trillion in debt with no end in sight to yearly deficits that were unimaginable at the turn of the 21st century.

During the 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency, the yearly budget deficit averaged $544 billion.
During the 8 years of the Barack Obama presidency, the yearly budget deficit averaged $1.2 trillion.
During the 4 years of the Donald Trump presidency, the yearly budget deficit averaged $1.8 trillion.
During the first 3 years of the Joe Biden presidency, the yearly budget deficit has averaged $2.1 trillion.

With the federal government running $2 trillion budget deficits year after year after year, if the Democrats and Republicans keep kicking the can down the road, there will eventually be no can to kick.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I voted "no" and mentally included the UK in that, and we are just as skint as you are, probably more so.
If Russia conquers Ukraine, then Putin will press on into Moldova and then ..... who knows? Think Hitler and appeasement.
If the West announces plans to stop supporting Ukraine, the Putin will hang on until we stop.

What we should be doing is pressing Ukraine privately to accept some sort of compromise, with the threat of withdrawing aid; and urging Russia publicly to do likewise with the threat of carrying on. Blessed are the peacemakers. How many more tens of thousands of casualties are there going to be until the two sides run out of steam?

 

[Reynolds]

With a potential government shutdown looming large on October 1, and with what appears to be a quagmire in the war between Russia and Ukraine that could drag on for years, should the United States stop sending aid to Ukraine?

Yes. Stop immediately.

 

[Salty]

I would say lets ask men like George Washington, Jefferson, Gen Pulaski -
when France sent much aid to the American Colonists
and without their help - the USA may have never been!

 

[canadyjd]

I would say lets ask men like George Washington, Jefferson, Gen Pulaski -
when France sent much aid to the American Colonists
and without their help - the USA may have never been!

But Washington warned future leaders against “foreign entanglements”.

It seems like all we have done since the UN was founded is one foreign entanglement after another. Never ending wars.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

But Washington warned future leaders against “foreign entanglements”.

"The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities." - excerpt from President George Washington's Farewell Address

Now any "formed engagements" at the time Washington wrote those words have long since ended. Also, the last time I checked, Ukraine is in Europe, a continent that Washington warned about getting implicated in.

 

[Salty]

But Washington warned future leaders against “foreign entanglements”.

It seems like all we have done since the UN was founded is one foreign entanglement after another. Never ending wars. ...

So it was ok for France to be involved in "foreign entanglements"

 

[KenH]

So it was ok for France to be involved in "foreign entanglements"

What another country does is its business.

 

[Salty]

IF they had done so -
there might not be a "United States"
and we would be bowing to King Charles and
under all their liberal policies!

 

[canadyjd]

So it was ok for France to be involved in "foreign entanglements"

Washington seemed to think so. France and England were rivals and France benefitted by England losing to the colonies.

I only pointed out that Washington warned of involvement in foreign politics, specifically in Europe.

He clearly stated any commitment s made to France had been fulfilled.

I’ve already stated we should honor our agreement with Ukraine. Send them an equal number of nukes that were removed in the prior agreement and get out.

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

We shouldn't send them anything. They are corrupt. Zelynsky showed up to the House of Commons in Canada with a Nazi.


The evil that goes on in that country and the suspected money laundering should not be supported. Further, we are putting way more money in there than all of Europe. Cut ties and move on.

 

[KenH]

 

[Conan]

The US signed an agreement in the mid-90’s promising (with other countries including Russia) that stated…. As best i remember

1. Ukraine gives up all nuclear weapons

2. Russia promises to recognize all existing borders

3. US and other countries promise to help Ukraine if Russia breaks promises.

Personally, I think we should have put nukes back into Ukraine when Russia took Crimea and then got out of the area. It would have cost much less.

You are right about the debt and arms manufacturers are swimming in our money.

Peace to you

In other words, ww3 right off of the bat . The Russians took crimea to save their warm water port when the united states overthrew the elected Ukrainian government with a hostile one. Put nukes on the boarder that can hit Moscow in 5 minutes. Thats what this dispute is about. That and western Billionaires want to plunder Russia. Warmongers.