should women be ordained?

[LillyoftheValley]

Should women be ordained?

 

[Iconoclast]

Should women be ordained?

Paul taught no....
1tim2:11-14

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Paul taught no....
1tim2:11-14

And you are right...despite your credalism, and your Catholicism:wavey::thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

And you are right...despite your credalism, and your Catholicism:wavey::thumbsup:

The scriptures are right 24/7...when we read them correctly...we then know what should be in a biblical creed, a biblical confession, and a good baptist catechism.
That the Rc church had unbiblical content in the attempts at creeds and cathechisms.....does not do away with a biblically solid one:wavey::wavey:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Icon, do you also place as much emphasis on the verse 8?

8 I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;

 

[preachinjesus]

Should women be ordained?

No, see above.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

biblical creed, a biblical confession, and a good baptist catechism.

And despite the :love2: love you and I might have on this post......seriously......no one will care when you post a Catechism, a confession a creed.... I simply am telling you.... no one will read it Icon, they simply wont....We are Baptists.....I promise you, it is immaterial whether what you post is true or not if you are copying or pasting ANYTHING which smacks of it..... few if any will read it... you do have skill at propogating your views. You are more efffective if you utilize none of these to do it..... the average Baptist HATES... I mean really HATES....(rightly or wrongly) that kind of thing............remember the Apostle Paul really was "all things to all people" Baptists.(as a rule) are not reached this way

 

[SolaSaint]

Not meaning to derail this post, I have a question. Does everyone in here agree that the lack of Godly men has led to women wanting to be ordained into teaching and preaching roles in the church? This is what I feel is happeing today.

 

[Iconoclast]

And despite the :love2: love you and I might have on this post......seriously......no one will care when you post a Catechism, a confession a creed.... I simply am telling you.... no one will read it Icon, they simply wont....We are Baptists.....I promise you, it is immaterial whether what you post is true or not if you are copying or pasting ANYTHING which smacks of it..... few if any will read it... you do have skill at propogating your views. You are more efffective if you utilize none of these to do it..... the average Baptist HATES... I mean really HATES....(rightly or wrongly) that kind of thing............remember the Apostle Paul really was "all things to all people" Baptists.(as a rule) are not reached this way

You might be correct....in the day and age in which we live that many baptists do despise solid biblical cathechisms and confessions of faith.

That is why biblical ignorance is at an all time high.....we have more bibles now , in more versions than ever before. I have heard many a fundementalist say...I am standing on my bible.......it would be better if they stepped off it,and actually opened it and began to read it.

Many as you say will not obey God...in learning in this way. That being said,as more baptists turn away from todays new age novelties....eventually some discover that the historic confessions had it right for the most part, and the puritans actually read and understood their bibles ..

When you read about a resurgence of the DoG......it is that people who have been wrongly instructed about the evils of "calvinism" as they read their bible...start to see it's truth on every page.....they go to their heirling pastor and ask questions about these issues.....and get such a shallow response from him ...that they know he does not have the answer....
Then they find a puritan book...or read Spurgeon.....Spurgeon quotes from some puritans....they look up the puritan that was quoted......let's say Gouge...
They find his writing online...read a bit.....and are stunned with the clarity in which he opens the scriptures.....
This teaching was basic years ago....but now people are clueless on these topics
the reason no one responds to these links,,,,is they cannot respond biblically without displaying how foolish and unbiblical their responses are.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Not meaning to derail this post, I have a question. Does everyone in here agree that the lack of Godly men has led to women wanting to be ordained into teaching and preaching roles in the church? This is what I feel is happeing today.

In a nutshell .... no.

I have taught mixed groups in an adults class and spoken to mixed groups three or four times. Each time I was asked to do so by male church leadership. I've never asked to do any of this. When a new pastor came to our church, he asked me not to teach the mixed night class anymore.

I did what he asked. I did what the former one asked and what another pastor asked when asking me to speak as a layperson to his church one Wednesday night.

In all of those handful of occasions, I did as those men in authority asked me to do.

I was never asked to speak (on the handful of occasions that I did at two churches - not during a worship service) or teach that night class because of a lack of quality male leadership.

I don't have a business card nor try to drum up speaking engagements.

I enjoy teaching and was ask to do so and was asked not to do so.

I don't desire to preach, but I do love to teach. When someone in authority asks me to, I do. It's that simple.

 

[kyredneck]

Beware folks. Methinks LOV & HOS are one and the same. Don't get too caught up with these two, just my humble advise.

 

[mandym]

Beware folks. Methinks LOV & HOS are one and the same. Don't get too caught up with these two, just my humble advise.

[snip - inflammatory]

 

[seekingthetruth]

And despite the :love2: love you and I might have on this post......seriously......no one will care when you post a Catechism, a confession a creed.... I simply am telling you.... no one will read it Icon, they simply wont....We are Baptists.....I promise you, it is immaterial whether what you post is true or not if you are copying or pasting ANYTHING which smacks of it..... few if any will read it... you do have skill at propogating your views. You are more efffective if you utilize none of these to do it..... the average Baptist HATES... I mean really HATES....(rightly or wrongly) that kind of thing............remember the Apostle Paul really was "all things to all people" Baptists.(as a rule) are not reached this way

This is the absolute best post I have ever read on the BB!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

John

 

[Scarlett O.]

Beware folks. Methinks LOV & HOS are one and the same. Don't get too caught up with these two, just my humble advise.

Oh, I figured that out this afternoon when he professed to be a "misogynistic jerk" with a wife who enjoys him being a "misogynisitic jerk" and when I said something about their strange attitude - "she" told me to keep my train off of her track! LOL!!

Yeah....something ain't right...:flower:

 

[seekingthetruth]

You might be correct....in the day and age in which we live that many baptists do despise solid biblical cathechisms and confessions of faith.

That is why biblical ignorance is at an all time high.....we have more bibles now , in more versions than ever before. I have heard many a fundementalist say...I am standing on my bible.......it would be better if they stepped off it,and actually opened it and began to read it.

Many as you say will not obey God...in learning in this way. That being said,as more baptists turn away from todays new age novelties....eventually some discover that the historic confessions had it right for the most part, and the puritans actually read and understood their bibles ..

When you read about a resurgence of the DoG......it is that people who have been wrongly instructed about the evils of "calvinism" as they read their bible...start to see it's truth on every page.....they go to their heirling pastor and ask questions about these issues.....and get such a shallow response from him ...that they know he does not have the answer....
Then they find a puritan book...or read Spurgeon.....Spurgeon quotes from some puritans....they look up the puritan that was quoted......let's say Gouge...
They find his writing online...read a bit.....and are stunned with the clarity in which he opens the scriptures.....
This teaching was basic years ago....but now people are clueless on these topics
the reason no one responds to these links,,,,is they cannot respond biblically without displaying how foolish and unbiblical their responses are.

Spurgeon, Calvin and your beloved creeds and confessions are not the Bible.

John

 

[seekingthetruth]

Not meaning to derail this post, I have a question. Does everyone in here agree that the lack of Godly men has led to women wanting to be ordained into teaching and preaching roles in the church? This is what I feel is happeing today.

Absolutely not!

but, that is the excuse every "female pastor" I have ever question used.

John

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Oh, I figured that out this afternoon when he professed to be a "misogynistic jerk" with a wife who enjoys him being a "misogynisitic jerk" and when I said something about their strange attitude - "she" told me to keep my train off of her track! LOL!!

Yeah....something ain't right...:flower:

I freely admitted on her first post that I was her hubby Scarlett... no one is trying to put something past you on the sly..... methinks you isn't the sleuth you thinks you is...... BTW you seem really hung up on my first post...... the

"misogynisitic jerk"

one...... That was me admitting what might be perhaps a personal weakness, and my attempt at straightforwardness and honesty........... I admit it.. I was self-effacing..... did the Apostle Paul not call himself the "Chief of sinners"? It is my opinion that the closer one is to God... and the more one wants to deal with sin in their lives.... the more AWARE of their weaknesses they are. If it is your intention to "call me out" on this...go ahead.... Heir is a misogynistic jerk... he admints it... and when he becomes fully sanctified he will get past it....Are you personally married to some man that is not aware of it himself? Where does your vitriol come from? Indeed did I not preface the statement you accurately quote with: "As the proud husband of this brilliant woman...." I think you wish that your husband would once refer to you like this...

 

[LillyoftheValley]

Beware folks. Methinks LOV & HOS are one and the same. Don't get too caught up with these two, just my humble advise.

Oh, I figured that out this afternoon when he professed to be a "misogynistic jerk" with a wife who enjoys him being a "misogynisitic jerk" and when I said something about their strange attitude - "she" told me to keep my train off of her track! LOL!!

Yeah....something ain't right...:flower:

HOS is decidedly my husband. and when we married we became as one, so in a sense you both are right. But I want you to know that I do in fact have a separate birth certificate, social security number... so on and so forth.

I know it might seem strange for a woman to not hate her husband for being a "misogynistic jerk" but as the saying goes.. it takes all kinds to make the world go round

 

[Iconoclast]

Spurgeon, Calvin and your beloved creeds and confessions are not the Bible.

John

Yes....but the Jesus that saved them by sovereign grace is in the bible,and they obeyed God's teaching on how to learn about Him....by catechisms

The English word “catechism” is derived from the Gk. verb katēchēo, “to
resound, teach orally, instruct by mouth.” This term originally had the idea of
“speaking down or from above” i.e., from actors on an elevated stage. It is a
compound of the preposition kata, “down, throughout, thoroughly” and the
verb ēchēo, “to sound,” the source of our English word, “echo.” There seems
to be in this etymology the idea of a responsive answer. Catechizing has the
connotation of thorough or repeated oral instruction, and is only one of
several related terms for instruction or teaching found in Scripture. The term
itself occurs eight times in the New Testament (twice as “informed” in Acts
21:21, 24, referring to word–of–mouth information):
“That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou
hast been catechized.” Luke 1:4.
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“This man had been constantly catechized in the way of the Lord;
and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the
things of the Lord...” Acts 18:25.
“And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more
excellent, being constantly catechized out of the law...” Romans
2:18.
“Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my
understanding, that by my voice I might catechize others also, than
ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.” 1 Cor. 14:19.
“Let him who is being catechized in the word communicate unto him
who catechizes in all good things.” Gal. 6:6.
C. H. Spurgeon on Catechizing
(From the introduction to his own Baptist Catechism)
In matters of doctrine you will find orthodox congregations
frequently changed to heterodoxy in the course of thirty or forty
years, and that is because, too often, there has been no catechizing of
the children in the essential doctrines of the Gospel. For my part, I
am more and more persuaded that the study of a good scriptural
catechism is of infinite value to our children....Even if the youngsters
do not understand all the questions and answers....yet, abiding in
their memories, it will be of infinite service when the time of
understanding comes, to have known these very excellent, wise and
judicious definitions of the things of God...It will be a blessing to
them—the greatest of all blessing...a blessing in life and death, in
time and eternity, the best of blessings God Himself can give….I am
persuaded that the use of a good catechism in all our families will be
a great safeguard against the increasing errors of the times, and
therefore I have compiled this little manual...for the use of my own
church and congregation. Those who use it in their families or
classes must labour to explain the sense to the little ones; but the
words should be carefully learned by heart, for they will be
understood better as the child advances in years.
The Practical Use of a Catechism
The practical use of this catechism may be summarized in the following
considerations:
1. Catechizing is a scriptural practice. It is taught in both the Old and
New Testaments by both precept and example.
2. Many may have a general knowledge of the Bible, but greatly lack in
the ability to reason from the Scriptures in a doctrinally consistent
fashion. We must know the Bible doctrinally and must know our
doctrine biblically. Unless we arrive at a consistent doctrinal
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knowledge of the Scriptures, our knowledge of the Word of God is
both deficient and defective. The use of a catechism leads one to think
both scripturally and doctrinally. It is a very basic and necessary
introduction to Bible doctrine and to elementary theology.
3. This is a catechism with a commentary. Such a work is meant to
educate the entire family. Comments are meant for parents and older
students as a means of educating themselves in basic Bible doctrine.
The notes are meant to serve as a basis for family instruction and
discussion of biblical truth.
4. Questions and answers are followed by one or more proof–texts, and
should be memorized with the question and answer.
5. As to methodology, it is suggested that fathers instruct their children in
the questions, answers and proof–texts, and then discuss the issues
involved. Little children may be able only to memorize the questions
and answers, while older children will be able to memorize one or
more Scripture references. Those who are older can also begin to
assimilate the issues involved.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Oh....yes.....Beware folks.... when Lilly...my wife.... has a question she "asks her husband at home" Obviously then.... there is no concievable way that a man might have a wife who often, regularly in fact, agrees with him on numerous theological topics..... Here's the real problem, we also have children, 4 of them, that we intend to rear in the fear and admonition of the Lord, INEXPLICABLY......INEXPLICABLY.....they might possibly adopt some of the views the Spiritual leader of their home teaches.....Your Failure to have a Biblical Christian Home with a Godly Father/Husband/Provider... who teaches and influences the mind of his wife and children is a failure on your part and your part alone...... "As for me and my house..." I am in fact the Priest of my household so kill me then...