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That is dissapointing ...... really dissapointing..... you are disparraging someone.... Lilly's FIRST POST on BB was to start a new thread... I advised her against doing so... yet, I forbade it not.... what is so rare about a woman who loves, respects, follows the advise of, and reveres the teaching of her husband.......???
This is TRULY a Damned society if this is your default view.... this is sick and sad.... We have a Biblical home....Lilly married a man who actually gave a hoot about what the Scriptures do or do not teach (I was a licsensed practising preacher BTW) before we started dating. I am, again, the pastor of my Home, your personal failure to achieve that is YOUR personal failure not mine.

 

Yes....
8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.



Yes...men are to lead in prayer.....he is showing how we must conduct ourselves in the church of God;

When it says "thou oughtest"...it is the same word used elsewhere for MUST...

Ye MUST be born from above
I MUST abide at your house....

So Paul directs by the Spirit...Men leading in prayer, Men in the pulpit,prayer being made for ALL men, etc..

Woman....9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

 

Interesting...have not seen you take up the challenge I offered you...re-write these paragraphs and improve upon it....
Show your biblical acumen.....show how evil the 1689 confession of faith is!!

 

OH, Icon:

In case you were not aware of it: although I do like to hear your opinions about things.... this particular thread was initially designed to take the "women should be ordained pastors" heretics away from my wife...."Lilly of the Valleys" initial thread about baptism.... I think she and I both would like to hear your opinion about this......Her initial thread politely asked all "pro-woman-ordination" to NOT respond..... naturally, they did.... why wouldn't they..... Thus she created the women ordination thread to take them away from her initial thread.... We would love to hear what you think about the topic.....LOL...we are being accused of being trolls on this.....well.... if anyone actually read Lilly's initial thread....this ENTIRE THREAD was designed to chase away the trolls who were co-opting the question we/she had.....anyway... if you have anything to add to the "should women baptize other women" post I do invite you to please respond.

 

NO, you are simply wrong... just simply wrong.... what is so hard to imagine about a man and a wife who both think similarly about many things???? your personal failure to have a biblically prescribed home is again your failure... you are simply so wrong.... this is sick.......sick and sad....

 

Ordained for what? What about a woman chaplain who works in a women's prison? Should she receive prayer and recognition from the church for her calling to her full-time ministry vocation? Sure, why not?

What about a children's minister? Should a male children's minister receive more acknowledgment, prayer, and tax benefits than a woman called to do the same ministry? I think not.

Is ordination really a biblical concept meant only for males in ministry? If so, where does scripture ever say that? Isn't ordination simply the church's acknowledgment of one's calling, giftedness and commitment to pray and support them in that ministry? Why would we do that for every gender?

It appears the issue of headship is a completely different question, yet some seem to equate the two.

 

Point taken...I did not intend to derail the thread...but I took ST's post as a desperate cry for help...so I offered him some of the confession he secretly loves to help him.....sorry to derial this effort:thumbs::wavey: carry on..i must needs drive now..lol

 

You derailed nothing... this was a thread designed specifically to get the liberal heretics to bite away from my wife's legit thread... (about women baptizing)... when you get a chance...would love to see if you have any input on this one... it ain't an easy one...Seriously, I am never easy on you, but I would like to hear wha' cha' gots ter say 'bout somefin' we doan' claim to ha' all figgered out!!!!! Be safe.... and watch out fer de motorcycles....like mine:thumbs:

 

Come on Icon

I am not cryiing for help, I am questioning your faith in the words of men instead of the words of God.

Get over yourself

if I was needing help you would be the last person I would seek it from

John

 

I think everyone is taking my post to mean women are taking advantage of a lack of qualified men. I meant it to show the lack of good Godly men today in our churches and out of necessity women are forced to take roles that men should be filling. Some of the Baptist churches I've been at had women teaching because there were no men who would step up. Are teaching positions to go unfilled if no man will teach? Just asking!

 

I agree with you, I think Iconoclast gave the reason why, even though he was not answering your post.

 

No, that's all I can say

John

 

Your point is well taken, absolutely correct,:thumbs: I see for instance the story of Deborah and Barack... God called the man...he wussed out....Debbie however had the "intestinal fortitude" to get the job done....so God used, and subsequently magnified her in the eyes of all of us for generations......And it took Jael to put the spike in Sisera's head!!!

 

And since you consider me a heretic, this is the only reply by me that you'll get in this dishonest thread.

 

John....

We will meet sometime in person.I will bring my bible with me.I do not think you will be disappointed and will see that I have some knowledge of the word of God.
John.....I believe you have not thought this through enough.Let me say it this way......Are you saying that if a godly man has studied the word and taught others for years,comes to your church and teaches a seminar......you would not delight to hear the word of God opened up????

If godly men get together and write a confession of faith...they write it down for us...as a guide and help.....to understand scripture.....you do not delight in that???? they are all about God and His word:wavey:

I will post the link for the 1689 confession of faith.....notice the first section is about SCRIPTURE.....tell me what you think these men did not get right?

If you do not want my help, that is okay....there are many better qualified persons than me to help.I do not go anywhere where someone does not like the word being opened.:thumbs:

 

HOS,
Overall as I responded to crabtown.....I believe we are given sufficient instuction on how the church should function 1Tim 3:14-15

God has always given His people instruction

The same holds true in the Nt....Male headship, male leadership....
baptism is an ordinance of the Church....it is not up to us to just do what ever we feel like.....

I do not buy into this obsession to modify all the services,and how things are carried out. preaching as ordained by God still stands...

 

I do listen to godly men, but my theology does not revolve around them.

Are you sure you arent Catholic?

You sure do appear to be.

John