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Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The founding fathers, in an act of the Continental Congress in 1774, said, "If money is wanted by Rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, [the People] may retain [their money] until their grievances are redressed, and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility."

In America, the right to petition our government for redress of grievances is the basis of our liberty. Our founders explicitly recognized this right in the first amendment to our constitution -- for they understood that without it, we could not have a servant government whose power is defined and limited by the consent of the people.

In America, the right to petition our government for a Redress of Grievances is an unalienable right. It derives from our faith in a supreme being - an ultimate moral authority from whom we gain our understanding of equality, justice and the rule of law. Implicit in our first amendment constitutional right to petition our government for a redress of grievances, is the government's absolute moral and legal obligation to respond honestly and completely to the people's petition.

This is the essential cornerstone of Popular Sovereignty -- a government of the People, by the People and for the People.

In 1791, the right to petition became primary among the Rights of the People of the United States of America, as expressed in, and guaranteed by, the First Amendment.

Some would now have us believe that our First Amendment right of petition is nothing more than a guarantee of free speech; that this vital constitutional protection - the very basis of our liberty - is simply a right to voice our grievances to the government. Some would try to convince us that We The People do not have the absolute right to an honest and complete response to our petitions -- or the authority to demand that our government correct the abuses and violations of our liberties that result in our petitions. Some would even go so far as to say it is merely a Right to complain, with no expectation of response.

This is nonsense! This is dangerous talk to a free people. We will not listen to those who would denigrate our Constitution, and undermine the principles of liberty and justice that gave birth to our nation. At best they are imbeciles, and at worst they are tyrants -- or "sharing bedrooms" with tyrants.

We must guard against this nonsense. We must harden our hearts to these false notions that government is God. We must recognize that even in the long run government can never be rational, without a principled Constitution firmly rooted in Liberty. Government has but one legitimate purpose -- to serve and protect all of the people equally. Government is not God. It is our servant. It is accountable to the People.

The right to Petition for Redress of Grievances is the final protection -- the final, peaceful check and balance in our system of Constitutional government in which the government derives its limited powers from the consent of the sovereign people. This is the right which publicly reveals and reiterates for all, who is Master and who is Servant.

The way the system is now working is in sharp contrast to the way it was designed to work. The servant is taking over the House: the government has brought us to the brink; the Constitution is hanging by a thread.

Not only is the government neglecting its duties, it is operating outside the boundaries the People have drawn around its powers.

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"Poncho, you always try to switch the topic to globalism, new world order, or some such thing."

That's right and you always try to switch the topic to honor and duty and "the cause" which is subject to change without notice. I have no problem with honor and duty these are good things. The thing is though, I think your priorites are a bit skewed. You seem to equate love of country with obedience to the POTUS and a red white and blue piece of cloth. I equate love of country with the ideals of liberty put forth in our founding documents, the rule of law and holding public servants accountable to the people and the law. When those servants subvert that law in favor of elite global interests and give up the power duly accorded to them (and only to them) by the people through a constitution to unelected officials in far off places it is our duty as citizens to stand up to them and do something about it, with honor.

It is not our duty to look the other way and put up with tyranny and make exuses for it.

 

I've read and heard to much to equate globalism and the NWO with theory. When the heads of state openly speak of it, it's past the theory stage and well into the implementaion stage.

No doubt our laxidaiscal attitudes have contributed much to our decline as a nation as well as our reliance on man instead of God.

I can't disagree with you on wishing to see some reversals in policy and I'm sure there lots of ways to bring about change. Fighting amongst ourselves isn't one of them however.

"Are you advocating that we not pay our taxes?"

If I am, are you aganist withholding your money from the federal government?

I don't have a specific plan, but I'm not alone in this either, the democrats and republicans don't have a plan to move this government back to a more constitutional framework. They seem to be more interested in tax money and what it can do for them and of course power and control.

Do you have any suggestions?

 

That's quite good! I think we actually agree on something, fagitabotit!

 

That's great, Dragoon68!

 

Number 2 is Social Security one of those things?or list the things we give up and be specific.

Number 5 strikes me as odd most people vote their
indvidual concern but you are advocating they vote
as a whole ..and what defines the best interest as
a whole ..a populist movement..one issue...couple
of issues sacrificing others...be specific..interesting concept.

Number 7. are you advocating no lawsuits ..limited
lawsuits and what about real innocents who have
really suffered ..for example asbestos is that
a legimate lawsuit...are you for the corporations
against the little guy? and how do you protect
the little guy...from the lawyers and corporations?

9.The Iraq war are you saying we should have war
bonds and that it is paid for with that ..of course you don't want to borrow to pay for war
corret?

10. I really disagree here ..where is this rampant
or out of control...are you talking about minimum
wages or a living wage for people because I agree
with those ..the rich will always have accountants
and tax lawyers find loop holes and they will stay rich no one is going to get their money anytime soon or wants to but their really is a
stress on the middle class in this country and
if you lose them..well the world can show you
what happens.

11.So I take this to mean you were against NAFTA and CAFTA which would be good...I am against
a world court as well ..but how do you deal
with being isolated and our resources running
dry ..a manhattan project to solve these issues
like energy independence..good!

Explain number 12 and be more specific how do
you protect minorities in the real world.


Number 13 is correct and reassues me you are not
some whacko reconstructionist. I have put
this on a note pad in case you change your mind.

alot of these things are still fundementally
being done...WE THE PEOPLE are the government
it has been hijacked by special interests and
lobbyists.imho

I see a hint of cynicism about the government which is fine..but you need to take all 12
of your items and be more specific the devil
really is in the details.

Good post Dragoon look forward to the details

 

It is basically immoral for the government to take money by force from one person and to give it to another person. I know that a certain amount of this will go on because of the fallen nature of man and the desire of some folks for a supposedly "free" lunch. But we need to keep this to a minimum and as under wraps as possible.

 

I'm thinking Dragoon's 13 points would make for a good thread on it's own. What do you guys think about that?

 

And probably one should remember before going
to Washington, D.C. to get food -- D.C. is
largely paved over, it doesn't grow much food

 

"...we'd best stay a fundamentally Christian nation if we hope to continue receiving God's blessings."

Now you've gone too far!

 

And probably one should remember before going
to Washington, D.C. to get food -- D.C. is
largely paved over, it doesn't grow much food </font>[/QUOTE]Oh Ed, let me tell ya sumthin. When I travel...and I travel, I always take my own stash of goodies to munch on, at least a weeks worth and alittle bit more for emergency use.

You anti-trapping types better cover your eyes because I'm gonna tell Ed that I always carry a survival kit along with my other traveling stuff to catch me a few critters to fry if I run out my emergency supplies.

 

"It is basically immoral for the government to take money by force from one person and to give it to another person. I know that a certain amount of this will go on because of the fallen nature of man and the desire of some folks for a supposedly "free" lunch. But we need to keep this to a minimum and as under wraps as possible."

Where is this rampant KenH are you talking about
taxes on the rich or taxbreaks for the rich..and how do we pay our fair share..you are being very
general give some specifics...but basically you
know and I know it is the middle class that is
the engine of this country and my goal would
be to protect them and take stress off them...we
should always give a hand up and not a hand out
and we have reformed welfare...and even though at times it looks like special interests snd lobbyist rule the day it is still "We The People" that is our government. The free lunch these
days is to Exxon/Mobile.imho

Yes I agree Dragoons post should be a seperate
topic so he can give details and his specific
plans or what goes and what stays and how its
going to be a painful process..explain that process..everyone is curious.

As Picard would say for this to be moved to
a new topic with Dragoons 12 point plan.

Make it so!

 

Dragoon68

I think that post is worth a big 8!

 

Dragoon68

I would add one point to #5. Voting is a duty anda privilege and only duly registered citizens should be allowed to vote. That means we have to tighten up on election laws.

 

I disagree. To allow a person or a corporation to keep more of his or its money is not a free lunch. That is liberal/socialistic thinking that all money belongs to the government and that it is a "cost" to the government if our taxes are lowered.

 

KenH you know as well as I do I am referring to
corporate welfare ..just look at the new energy
bill it is a giveaway to people like exxon/mobil
stick with the isssue...I never said what you
said...CORPORATE WELFAFE KENH COME ON SPELL IT
AFTER ME ...C O R P O R A T E W E L F A R E

Exxon should use its own money and not tax payers
money to drill and not bilk the taxpayer.


President Bush on Monday signed into law $14.5 billion in tax breaks for U.S. energy companies and incentives to develop alternative fuel sources that he said would lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil in the future.

now why does exxon/mobil need a tax break when
they are hauling in 3 bllion profit every 3 months
that is every 3 months and pure profit..and they
are sitting on cash or around 18 billion ..it may
be higher now..so why do they need a tax break
when they canpay for it themselves. That KenH
is pure corporate welfare and you know it.

PERIOD ENDING 31-Dec-04 31-Dec-03 31-Dec-02
Net Income 25,330,000 21,510,000 11,460,000

Operating Activities, Cash Flows Provided By or Used In
Depreciation 9,767,000 9,047,000 8,310,000
Adjustments To Net Income (309,000) 344,000 1,053,000
Changes In Accounts Receivables (472,000) (1,286,000) (305,000)
Changes In Liabilities 6,333,000 1,130,000 365,000
Changes In Inventories (223,000) (100,000) 353,000
Changes In Other Operating Activities 125,000 (2,147,000) 32,000

Total Cash Flow From Operating Activities 40,551,000 28,498,000 21,268,000

Investing Activities, Cash Flows Provided By or Used In
Capital Expenditures (11,986,000) (12,859,000) (11,437,000)
Investments (1,074,000) (273,000) (1,114,000)
Other Cashflows from Investing Activities (1,850,000) 2,290,000 2,793,000

Total Cash Flows From Investing Activities (14,910,000) (10,842,000) (9,758,000)

Financing Activities, Cash Flows Provided By or Used In
Dividends Paid (7,111,000) (6,945,000) (6,386,000)
Sale Purchase of Stock (9,206,000) (5,694,000) (4,660,000)
Net Borrowings (1,951,000) (2,124,000) (307,000)
Other Cash Flows from Financing Activities - - -

Total Cash Flows From Financing Activities (18,268,000) (14,763,000) (11,353,000)
Effect Of Exchange Rate Changes 532,000 504,000 525,000

Change In Cash and Cash Equivalents $7,905,000 $3,397,000 $682,000

KenH no way in blue blazes you can justifie
corporate welfare for Exxon/Mobil they have
their own money they don't need mine in the
form of tax breaks...you know someone will
have to make up that revenue and it will be
the middle class and by the way did you see
Lou Dobbs tonight "Assault on the Middle Class"

basic question KenH why does Exxon/Mobil need
my money when it has plenty of pure profits of
its own to invest and drill?

The people who benifit with Exxon/Mobil welfare
is of course them and stockholders Exxon instead
of drilling can buy back 20 percent of its stock
so it is welfare and the common American is again
left footing the bill. Has nothing to do with
socialism or whatever fearmongering you want to
use KenH Corporate Welfare it is just plain wrong and unjust.