Shutdown?

[Revmitchell]

When your opponent has been saying for at least 2 weeks that any proposal with an amendment in it to defund ObamaCare is dead on arrival, and repeats it over and over and over again, that is the opponent planting a stake in the ground. Then Ted Cruz has his marathon speech and the opponent repeats their statement that any bill with ObamaCare in it is DOA. Plus they have the votes in the Senate to defend their position. And Presidential veto power.

It doesn't matter if you think they are reasonable, they contained elements of ObamaCare in them and the opponent had told you they would be DOA. So instead of finding a way around it they plow ahead knowing the consequences would be a shutdown. Thus, the Republicans are to blame. If any one is buying into spin it is you with your belief that the Dems are blameworthy.

I don't think that makes the Repubs to blame. What the Dems are doing is going to hurt the country. Just because the Dems said this was DOA does not make mean the Dems are not b"blameworthy".

 

[InTheLight]

I don't think that makes the Repubs to blame. What the Dems are doing is going to hurt the country. Just because the Dems said this was DOA does not make mean the Dems are not b"blameworthy".

You're right, of course. The Dems are "blameworthy" as well, but I think the balance of blame is on the Repubs side.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

"Let it shut down."

Okay, wonderful! It doesn't affect you, right?

Except my family will no longer have a decent of our income if it continues, since a portion of that income is military related disability pay.

VA pensions are not discontinued during the shutdown. They are paid, regardless, just as is Social Security and Medicare.

And since hubby's job hours were cut thanks to employers wanting everyone to be part time now, and we save a lot of money shopping on a military base for groceries, which is clearing out perishable foods and shutting down now since they are government run, we can no longer save money on groceries.

Military base operations, including base exchanges and services, are not discontinued. They too are funded through a shutdown.

Thousands around us are civilians employed on base.

And while they may be furloughed in about two weeks, it isn't likely the shutdown will last that long, and even if it does, base exchanges, etc., will continue to operate. Also, emergency unemployment benefits will be available for those who need them. That program, also, will continue to function.

I'm thinking you have no clue of how damaging this really is to regular, everyday people.

I'm thinking you haven't really investigated the realities before posting this.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...n-begins-can-congress-white-house-compromise/​

What the Obama administration is portraying as a "shutdown" of the federal government -- complete with signs posted at the entrances to government buildings, parks and monuments -- is turning out to be more of a "slimdown," as all but non-essential workers reported to their jobs Tuesday.

The biggest impact is expected to be felt for the 800,000 or so federal workers facing furlough. But hundreds of thousands of other workers are reporting for work, and a patchwork of services remains open to the public as lawmakers and the White House continue to battle over a spending package.

Mail will still be delivered, Social Security checks will go out and, thanks to a last-minute bill, the military will continue to get paid.

 

[Revmitchell]

You're right, of course. The Dems are "blameworthy" as well, but I think the balance of blame is on the Repubs side.

I don't, both sides have an equal responsibility to work it out. The repubs made every attempt. The Dems made no attempt.

 

[poncho]

Surprise! Obamacare health insurance exchange websites don’t work; HealthCare.gov a total mess.

"The Affordable Care Act is moving forward. You can't shut it down." —President Obama #Obamacare

No need to shut it down. The Obamacare health insurance exchange websites don’t work.

 

[Gina B]

Disconnected, what's wrong with you?

My information is coming directly from the military.

 

[poncho]

Disconnected, what's wrong with you?

My information is coming directly from the military.

Careful Gina you are in danger of being labeled a commie. Don't take it personal though TND calls everyone that dares to disagree with him a commie. He gets all his information directly from Bill O'Reilly. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gina B]

Oh no! Being a girl, it'll probably destroy me if he does that, crushing my fragile ego and sending me running to my pillow and throwing myself down sobbing into its pink lacy comfort. I don't know if I'd even be able to collect myself enough to bake cookies tonight. :laugh:

 

[poncho]

Oh no! Being a girl, it'll probably destroy me if he does that, crushing my fragile ego and sending me running to my pillow and throwing myself down sobbing into its pink lacy comfort. I don't know if I'd even be able to collect myself enough to bake cookies tonight. :laugh:

Yeah I thought that might be the outcome that's why I warned ya ahead of time. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Disconnected, what's wrong with you?

My information is coming directly from the military.

If your base exchange is closed, it is because it chose to close. The Defense Commissary Agency said in an official news release last week that stateside base exchanges would stay open Tuesday to sell perishables, but close afterward. However, many chose to remain open.

Since your post, I've checked with several area base exchanges -- Whiteman AFB in Missouri, Ft. Riley in Kansas, the Marine Defense Finance Accounting Service in Kansas City, McConnell AFB in Wichita, and was told the DCA gave them an officially sanctioned option to remain open if they desired, and thought they could cover costs. All the exchanges at these bases have chosen to stay open. Sorry yours didn't.

 

[Gina B]

There's a difference between an xchange and a commissary.

ITL, thank you for your compassion.

And poncho, thanks for making me grin today!

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

There's a difference between an xchange and a commissary.

Yeah, like there's a difference between Wal-Mart and Kroger's.

And by the way, both the PX and the Commissary are run by the aforementioned DCA. I was in the military for 20 years, Gina, so spare me the drama.

 

[kyredneck]

I am a federal retiree and fully prepared for it. The checks will be there October 1 but not November 1.....

???

SN, have you been informed that your pension will stop during this time?

"...be advised for those citizens awaiting pension checks and social security checks, checks will continue. Rumors have suggested citizens may feel the affect when it comes to their retirement or disability income. That has been unfounded and checks will continue to be cut for those individuals...."

http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/government-shutdown-begins-federal-employees-affected/

[edit to add]

"Federal retirees may be wondering whether or not they will continue to receive their annuity payments if the government shuts down at the end of the month.

The good news is that retirees under both FERS and CSRS will still receive their scheduled payments on the first business day of the month in the event of a government shutdown."
http://www.fedsmith.com/2013/09/24/...etirees-continue-to-receive-annuity-payments/

 

[Crabtownboy]

Now the Republicans are really going to be in BIG trouble. You can mess with lots of things and get away with it. But football?????

Two college football games on Saturday -- Air Force at Navy and Army at Boston College -- are in danger of being canceled due to the government shutdown caused when Congress did not pass a spending bill to fund the government.

The Defense Department announced Tuesday that is has suspended travel for intercollegiate athletic competitions at the nation's service academies due to the impasse, which put 800,000 federal workers on furlough.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ge-football-games-involving-service-academies

 

[Gina B]

Twenty years and you never figured out that commissaries are subsidized and the other is not? You're not getting the notices that commissaries stateside are closing immediately and overseas are open because of them being crucial because COMMISSARIES sell groceries?

And you're saying you refuse to buy health insurance because you're protesting ObamaCare. Well, you should already have health insurance if you were in the military for twenty years, because after twenty years in the military, you'd be on retired insurance for dirt cheap and if you hit your for life age, for free.

What's going on? These are very basic things not making sense in your posts.

 

[poncho]

Twenty years and you never figured out that commissaries are subsidized and the other is not? You're not getting the notices that commissaries stateside are closing immediately and overseas are open because of them being crucial because COMMISSARIES sell groceries?

And you're saying you refuse to buy health insurance because you're protesting ObamaCare. Well, you should already have health insurance if you were in the military for twenty years, because after twenty years in the military, you'd be on retired insurance for dirt cheap and if you hit your for life age, for free.

What's going on? These are very basic things not making sense in your posts.

I don't think he is who he claims to be at all Gina. I caught on to him his second day posting here. Looks like another bad investment on the Pentagon's part. Little wonder they're losing the infowar to the alternative media so bad. :laugh:

“We are in an information war and we are losing that war,” warned Clinton, in a bid to rustle up more money to fund propaganda to compete with foreign news media, sending a clear message that stations such as Russia Today, which regularly provides a platform to the likes of Alex Jones, Max Keiser, Wayne Madsen, Paul Craig Roberts and Webster Tarpley, are winning the infowar against the globalists.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Twenty years and you never figured out that commissaries are subsidized and the other is not?

And how exactly is it that PXs are not subsidized?? You're the one not making sense!

You're not getting the notices that commissaries stateside are closing immediately and overseas are open because of them being crucial because COMMISSARIES sell groceries?

Why don't you try calling your base commissary and see if it is going to open tomorrow? As I told you earlier, the DCA gave them a "local option" to stay open if they can cover costs, and apparently all the major bases in my area can do so, because they aren't closing. Also, the overseas PXs and commissaries are not closing. If you have information to the contrary, your information is faulty.

And you're saying you refuse to buy health insurance because you're protesting ObamaCare. Well, you should already have health insurance if you were in the military for twenty years, because after twenty years in the military, you'd be on retired insurance for dirt cheap and if you hit your for life age, for free.

If you think I'm going to the VA for my general healthcare, you're looney toons. Where have you been the last 30 years to not know that it takes weeks to get appointments, months to see specialists, and don't dare tell them you suffer from PTSD or Dioxin poisoning, because they will never call you back. My wife is a NICU nurse at a major hospital in Kansas City, and we have far better insurance than the VA is capable of providing, even if it is free. Even so, our private healthcare plan is not likely going to go unscathed by the idiot Great Pretender's healthcare fiasco. Our premium costs will probably double January 1.

What's going on? These are very basic things not making sense in your posts.[/QUOTE]Lady, if you don't have the facts, don't try to blame someone else for not having the ones you got from an uninformed source.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If you think I'm going to the VA for my general healthcare, you're looney toons. Where have you been the last 30 years to not know that it takes weeks to get appointments, months to see specialists, and don't dare tell them you suffer from PTSD or Dioxin poisoning, because they will never call you back. My wife is a NICU nurse at a major hospital in Kansas City, and we have far better insurance than the VA is capable of providing, even if it is free. Even so, our private healthcare plan is not likely going to go unscathed by the idiot Great Pretender's healthcare fiasco. Our premium costs will probably double January

I do not know where you live, but that has not been my experience at all ... nor has it been the experience of my brother nor my brother-in-law.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I do not know where you live, but that has not been my experience at all ... nor has it been the experience of my brother nor my brother-in-law.

Then I would suggest you and your family have been exceptionally blessed.

1. The average wait for a ruling on a non-presumptive diseases or a terminal illness can stretch out as long as two years, during which time many vets waiting for benefits and care decisions die.
   
2. Veterans with diabetes are routinely given only enough test strips to check their blood sugar levels four times every other Wednesday. According to the VA, the A1C test tells the truth about the average glucose/sugar reading during the past 3 months and testing a veteran’s glucose daily is not needed, though this is completely contradictory to the CDC's approved diabetes treatment regimen.
   
3. The VA added another step to its long process of decisions and appeals process called a Provisional Decision. The VA states a Provisional Decision is not a decision and cannot be appealed until the veteran requests the decision to be finalized within one year of the Provisional Decision. Sometimes it may take two years for the VA to make a Provisional Decision.
   
4. A veteran can receive non-service connected pension if he was in the military a minimum of 90 days, served at least one day during a war or conflict, and had an honorable discharge. Currently, non-service connected pension is income dependent. Any other income is subtracted from the non-service connected pension. If a veteran requests non-service connected pension and service connection; the VA will pay the greater benefit. For example: if a veteran is 40 percent service connected, non-service connected pension would be the greater benefit. If he is 80 percent service connected, service connected compensation would be the greater benefit. No vet should be placed in such a subjective decision making process.

Yes, veterans’ evaluations of the medical care they receive from the VA are mixed. Some veterans’ are ecstatic and completely happy with the medical care; other vets find the standard of care to be substandard. There are complaints about communication and language barriers, failure to diagnose and treat symptoms properly. There are complaints about over-medicating or stopping medication without good cause, or inability to make timely appointments.

Not everyone has these problems, and I'm sure civilian patients have similar complaints about their doctors. But after a man has given a large chunk of his life to serving his country, he doesn't deserve substandard or convoluted treatment regimens and administrative red tape.

 

[Gina B]

Last comment to you disconnected, because I'm starting to think you're just bored and would be better off getting a puppy.

Go to your local base and ask them to explain why their commissary can sell products at cost while the xchange doesn't. Why you can buy the same bottle of shampoo at the commissary for less than at the xchange. Why coupons at the x aren't accepted at the other. Why one seeks a profit. Why the furloughs this summer caused shutdowns on furlough days in one and not the other.

And yes, I am doubting you. Now you're saying you have insurance, so you're bluster when I asked people their plan about ObamaCare to "ignore it, fight it, refuse to participate, rebel, whatever it takes," in insurance was just that. Bluster. It means nothing since you already have insurance. Just how are you rebelling and fighting and refusing to partcipate in mandatory insurance when you already have it? You rebel you. ROFL

Just go have a good evening. Seriously. I think these things get a little too serious and they're not all that important in the big scheme of things. As long as you realize...I'm right. :tongue3: