Side comments on the "William & Myself" thread...

Then my beloved Japanese believers and I are in trouble. How can we have a Japanese Bible if there is only one and it is in English?? </font>[/QUOTE]Do you forget one verse: Romans 16:26? God provided His Words to all nations. In the USA Americans have most accurate translation for their mother tongue: the KJV! So is England. God provided His one Book to Japan: most accurate translation. He provided His one Book to each nation. </font>[/QUOTE]But in Japanese we have no translation in print from the TR, like the KJV is. So by definition all I have to use is a MV.

 

Oh I see. Please check with Trinitrain (Spell??) Bible Society or GraceWay Bible Society if they have Japanese TR Bible. I hope they will help you.

 

Oh I see. Please check with Trinitrain (Spell??) Bible Society or GraceWay Bible Society if they have Japanese TR Bible. I hope they will help you. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't need to check with the Trinitarian Bible Society. I have been here in Japan for 25 years and know the situation far better than they do. In fact, I've written a pamphlet on the history of the Japanese Bible which you may have in MS Word format if you PM me.

My point here is that the KJVO position does not hold water on many mission fields. If I have no TR-based Bible in Japanese does that mean the Japanese have no Bible? Of course not. I will use the Shinkaiyaku Bible, based on Nestle's Greek text, until such a time as a TR-based version is available in Japanese.

There is no "one Bible" for most languages in the world, therefore the KJVO position is inconsistent. For your doctrine to be correct it must be universal. That is, God's truth can be understood in all languages and cultures, but the KJVO position cannot be understood in the Japanese language and culture, therefore it is wrong.

 

Then my beloved Japanese believers and I are in trouble. How can we have a Japanese Bible if there is only one and it is in English?? </font>[/QUOTE]Do you forget one verse: Romans 16:26? God provided His Words to all nations. In the USA Americans have most accurate translation for their mother tongue: the KJV! So is England. God provided His one Book to Japan: most accurate translation. He provided His one Book to each nation. </font>[/QUOTE]But in Japanese we have no translation in print from the TR, like the KJV is. So by definition all I have to use is a MV. </font>[/QUOTE]Read Hebrews 4:3 [personal attack snipped] . No one said in English only I'm sure God's Word can be translated into any Asian language as he did with the AV 1611. I'll say it Again God only wrote one book!~

[ April 15, 2006, 04:23 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

Oh I see. Please check with Trinitrain (Spell??) Bible Society or GraceWay Bible Society if they have Japanese TR Bible. I hope they will help you. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't need to check with the Trinitarian Bible Society. I have been here in Japan for 25 years and know the situation far better than they do. In fact, I've written a pamphlet on the history of the Japanese Bible which you may have in MS Word format if you PM me.

My point here is that the KJVO position does not hold water on many mission fields. If I have no TR-based Bible in Japanese does that mean the Japanese have no Bible? Of course not. I will use the Shinkaiyaku Bible, based on Nestle's Greek text, until such a time as a TR-based version is available in Japanese.

There is no "one Bible" for most languages in the world, therefore the KJVO position is inconsistent. For your doctrine to be correct it must be universal. That is, God's truth can be understood in all languages and cultures, but the KJVO position cannot be understood in the Japanese language and culture, therefore it is wrong. </font>[/QUOTE]Why didnt Paul go to Asia in the 1st century church era? Why did the Holy Ghost re- direct their course ? so you could GO INTO ALL NATIONS AND PREACH AND TEACH HIS WORD. IF YOU speak English (and some Japanese do too) YOU need A KJB IF you dont the the LORD will Provide a JAPANESE translation. Stick to tradition and not the teachings of man, but the teachings of God. If you dont have a KJB then get one, [personal attack snipped]

[ April 15, 2006, 04:24 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

I would rather be God' Parrot any day than the devils Pirate! But thanks for the links you have written them for me. Do you see a " FOR SALE " sign on My Post's. God lives in my heart, thank you Jesus for answered prayer in Jesus name AMEN!

 

Right. And it has been a human effort in accordance with the providence of God to preserve the words of that Book and to translate it into various "vulgar" tongues. </font>[/QUOTE]Amen, Brother Scott J. -- Preach it!

 

Just delete it, my bad
I put it on the wrong Forum

 

Then my beloved Japanese believers and I are in trouble. How can we have a Japanese Bible if there is only one and it is in English?? </font>[/QUOTE]Do you forget one verse: Romans 16:26? God provided His Words to all nations. In the USA Americans have most accurate translation for their mother tongue: the KJV! So is England. God provided His one Book to Japan: most accurate translation. He provided His one Book to each nation. </font>[/QUOTE]Which book did He give Ireland? Spain? France? Germany? Angola? South Africa? Australia? China?
Luxumbourg?

Could you please provide proof for each example?
Thnaks in advance for your help.

 

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/god_wrote_only_one_bible-fuller.htm

[ April 15, 2006, 05:52 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

Then my beloved Japanese believers and I are in trouble. How can we have a Japanese Bible if there is only one and it is in English?? </font>[/QUOTE]Do you forget one verse: Romans 16:26? God provided His Words to all nations. In the USA Americans have most accurate translation for their mother tongue: the KJV! So is England. God provided His one Book to Japan: most accurate translation. He provided His one Book to each nation. </font>[/QUOTE]Which book did He give Ireland? Spain? France? Germany? Angola? South Africa? Australia? China?
Luxumbourg?

Could you please provide proof for each example?
Thnaks in advance for your help. </font>[/QUOTE]

http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_07.asp

[ April 15, 2006, 05:49 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

William,

I have corrected your last two posts to credit your sources. Moderators do not have time to search the internet for quotes in order to source them. Future unsourced quotes will simply be deleted.

The purpose of a debate forum is to post our ideas and thoughts. Outside sources should be used to support our views. Copying and pasting from other sources is not truly debate.

Roger
C4K
Moderator

[ April 15, 2006, 05:56 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

Read Hebrews 4:3 [personal attack snipped] . No one said in English only I'm sure God's Word can be translated into any Asian language as he did with the AV 1611. I'll say it Again God only wrote one book!~ </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, so how do I tell which Bible is the "one book" in Japanese? Must it be translated from the KJV? Is the TR good enough? Is a version translated from a modern Greek text okay as long as it is not an English Bible?

This may be theoretical to some people, but to the 110 plus IFB missionaries in Japan and the many Japanese IFB pastors, it is a problem RIGHT NOW! So, do you have any advice for me from the KJVO viewpoint? How do I choose my Bible translation in Japan?

It is even more difficult in Spanish-speaking countries. They have two competing Bibles in their language, each of which is claimed to be a "KJV-type" Bible. What are some Biblical principles you can give the missionaries there as to how to choose which one to use?

 

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/god_wrote_only_one_bible-fuller.htm </font>[/QUOTE]Shoking evidence

 

The problem with Bibles is not the translation; it's that people are neither reading nor following them.

 

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/god_wrote_only_one_bible-fuller.htm </font>[/QUOTE]Shoking evidence </font>[/QUOTE]William, I have read John Jasper Ray's book, God Only Wrote One Bible, and I noticed something about it. While Ray only uses the KJV in his book, he misquotes it several times. Does that take the power out of his quotes and make them another Bible?

Let me put it another way. If a preacher doesn't quite get the KJV quote right in his sermon, isn't he then quoting from another Bible, the one in his memory? Is his Bible then ineffective?

Let me try again. What if you are witnessing to some one and you say, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes on him...." And you misquote the KJV and say "whoever" instead of "whosoever." Are you then destroying the power of the Word of God?

If in these three cases the power of the KJV is not destroyed, then you are being inconsistent. You evidently believe that if a translation differs at all from the KJV it is wrong. But that is exactly what happens every day all over the US and other English speaking countries when they misquote the KJV in their sermons or witnessing.

Now please don't get angry at me or spiteful with me. I'm a language professional, working every day of my life in at least three languages. I'm trying to help you see that what makes the KJV so special is the truths it gives us, not the exact way it says them. As a pro, I can tell you that a translation can be a little bit different and still convey God's truth.