FOREIGN LANGUAGE BIBLESOriginally posted by C4K:
Which book did He give Ireland? Spain? France? Germany? Angola? South Africa? Australia? China?
Luxumbourg?
Could you please provide proof for each example?
Thnaks in advance for your help.
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FOREIGN LANGUAGE BIBLESOriginally posted by C4K:
Which book did He give Ireland? Spain? France? Germany? Angola? South Africa? Australia? China?
Luxumbourg?
Could you please provide proof for each example?
Thnaks in advance for your help.
Do you deny God provided His Word to all nations? God DID!!!Originally posted by C4K:
I am sorry - I don't find the answer to my questions there. All I found was a list of Bible societies and publishers. If you could just answer my question I would be very appreciative.
The Waldenses used the Old Latin or the Latin Vulgate. Read "The Noble Lesson" to confirm what bible they used.There was the Bible for Italian-speaking people: Waldensian Bible BEFORE the KJV appeared.
There was the Bible for Latin-speaking people: Old Latin Bible BEFORE the KJV appeared.
I provided 5 Bibles that C4K would see them. That is enough. If you have information on 5,000 languages. Can you provide me ALL of bibles if you can?Originally posted by TCassidy:
Okay, that's 5. But there are over 5,000 languages on Earth. Please name the rest of the bible's God provided to all nations that are the same as the KJV.
I provided 5 Bibles that C4K would see them. That is enough. If you have information on 5,000 languages. Can you provide me ALL of bibles if you can?Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TCassidy:
Okay, that's 5. But there are over 5,000 languages on Earth. Please name the rest of the bible's God provided to all nations that are the same as the KJV.
To expand on Ed's post a bit, the word "Lucifer" (KJV) and "morning star," (NIV, HCSB) "star of the morning," (NASB) or "day-star" (ASV) are all from the Hebrew heylel. According to Strong's, heylel is defined as:Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
william s. correa : //In Isaiah 14:12, the father of the new versions removes his mask. The King James reads, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O LUCIFER, son of the morning!..." The NIV, NASV, NRSV etc. reads, "How you have fallen from heaven, O MORNING STAR, son of the dawn..." The new versions change "Lucifer" to "morning star." According to Revelation 22:16, the "morning star" is the Lord Jesus Christ. What blasphemy! And there's no basis whatsoever for the change, as the Hebrew word for star [kokab] is not even found in Isaiah 14:12. Is there any doubt who is the father of these new versions?//
The only 'blasphemy' is those who worship the KJB
but fail to read it.
Here we go:
Isa 14:12 (KJV1611 Edition):
How art thou fallen from heauen, ||O Lucifer, sonne
of the morning? how art thou cut downe to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations?
Sidenote: || or, O day starre
For those of the Cult of Ignorance
and others not in the know, the planet Venus
used to be known as the Morning Star when it preceeded
the sun, the Evening Star when it follows the Sun
and the Day Star because you can see it in broad daylight.
//And there's no basis whatsoever for the change, as the Hebrew word for star [kokab] is not even found in Isaiah 14:12.//
Yes, 'kakab' doesn't show up, but that is meaningless,
one of the names of the second planet from the sun
is DAY STAR or DAY STARRE as the KJB says.
Why don't people read the inspired, inerrant KJB
more often?
BTW, this has been documented every month nearly in
this BB FOrum: Versions/Translations.
Why does it have to be repeated, repeated, and repeated
for every victim of the Cult of Ignorance?
Now Strong's has been around a lot longer than there has been a KJVO movement. As a matter of fact, Strong's has been around a whole lot longer than there have been so-called "modern versions." This definition was a perfect argument against what many KJVOs claim long before the KJVOs even thought about this claim. As we can see from the definition, "Lucifer" and "morning star" are both legitimate translations of the original Hebrew heylel, one being just as good as the other. What is different is not necessarily inferior, as many who have fallen victim to the KJVO myth would have us believe.Lucifer="light-bearer"
1. shining one, morning star, Lucifer
a. of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.)
2. "Helel" describing the king of Babylon
I provided 5 Bibles that C4K would see them. That is enough. If you have information on 5,000 languages. Can you provide me ALL of bibles if you can?Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TCassidy:
Okay, that's 5. But there are over 5,000 languages on Earth. Please name the rest of the bible's God provided to all nations that are the same as the KJV.
But I didn't make the false claim. You did when you said "Do you deny God provided His Word to all nations? God DID!!!"Originally posted by Askjo:
I provided 5 Bibles that C4K would see them. That is enough. If you have information on 5,000 languages. Can you provide me ALL of bibles if you can?![]()
Not enough? Wrong!!! You OVERLOOKED what I said. Re-read my previous post SAYING, "And more".Originally posted by C4K:
5 is not enough. Youir claim is that God provided His book for every nation. You only gave me 5, some of which are debateable.
How about Korean, Japanaese, Chinese, Nigerian (any of the hundreds of tribal dialects), Afrikaans, the languages of the Indian subcontinent, etc. etc.
You made quite a claim Askjo, care to reconsider? I would like to see Bible evidence for each translation please.
According to your quotation: "there are over 5,000 languages on Earth." I asked you to name all of foreign Bibles, but I did not see your answer to my question. Where are these names of all foreign Bibles according to your saying, "5,000"?Originally posted by TCassidy:
But I didn't make the false claim. You did when you said "Do you deny God provided His Word to all nations? God DID!!!"
You said ALL but only gave us 5 versions (really 4 because the Old Latin is listed twice). And even those 4 differ with the KJV quite often.
So, the burden of proof is on you. You made the claim, it is up to you to either back it up or admit you spoke falsely and retract the false statement.
I did not claim there were bibles in all languages. YOU DID! Are you honest enough to admit you spoke falsely? If not, back up your false claim!Originally posted by Askjo:
I asked you to name all of foreign Bibles, but I did not see your answer to my question. Where are these names of all foreign Bibles according to your saying, "5,000"?
Did I? You are 100% wrong because you rejected Romans 16:26. YOU DENY that God is interested in having His Words translated accurately into the languages of every person in this world.Originally posted by TCassidy:
I did not claim there were bibles in all languages. YOU DID! Are you honest enough to admit you spoke falsely? If not, back up your false claim!
Did I? You are 100% wrong because you rejected Romans 16:26. YOU DENY that God is interested in having His Words translated accurately into the languages of every person in this world. </font>[/QUOTE]No one denied Romans 16v26, all I asked for was a list of all the Bibles in all languages. I would be happy with 30-40 instead of 5,000 if that would be easier for you.Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TCassidy:
I did not claim there were bibles in all languages. YOU DID! Are you honest enough to admit you spoke falsely? If not, back up your false claim!
Yes, you did. Here is what you said, "Do you deny God provided His Word to all nations? God DID!!!"Originally posted by Askjo:
Did I?
No, I do not reject Romans 16:26. I believe Romans 16:26. Please don't like about me or what I believe. Neither do I deny that God is interested in all people of all languages. Please don't lie about what I said or what I believe. I believe it is incumbent on us to see that the bible is translated into every one of the 5000+ languages on Earth, but that is beside the point. You claimed that God already did that. That is not true. Please be honest.You are 100% wrong because you rejected Romans 16:26. YOU DENY that God is interested in having His Words translated accurately into the languages of every person in this world.
Did I? You are 100% wrong because you rejected Romans 16:26. YOU DENY that God is interested in having His Words translated accurately into the languages of every person in this world. </font>[/QUOTE]Here's a problem. Oftentimes the first Bible translated into a language is not very accurate. A KJVO advocate might say that the best Bible in Japanese is the Motoyaku ("Original Translation"), which was the first complete Bible in Japanese. It was translated from the KJV with reference to the TR, Chinese Bible of Morrison, etc. However, it was a lousy translation which I wouldn't use even if it were in print. Just one example: "wine" in the KJV was sometimes translated as sake ("rice wine," a very powerful drink). So in Japan, an MV is a much better translation than the supposed "KJV type" translation. Which would you use?Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TCassidy:
I did not claim there were bibles in all languages. YOU DID! Are you honest enough to admit you spoke falsely? If not, back up your false claim!
I provided 5 Bibles that C4K would see them. That is enough. If you have information on 5,000 languages. Can you provide me ALL of bibles if you can?Originally posted by C4K:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TCassidy:
Okay, that's 5. But there are over 5,000 languages on Earth. Please name the rest of the bible's God provided to all nations that are the same as the KJV.
Yes, you did. Here is what you said, "Do you deny God provided His Word to all nations? God DID!!!"Originally posted by TCassidy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
Did I?
No, I do not reject Romans 16:26. I believe Romans 16:26. Please don't like about me or what I believe. Neither do I deny that God is interested in all people of all languages. Please don't lie about what I said or what I believe. I believe it is incumbent on us to see that the bible is translated into every one of the 5000+ languages on Earth, but that is beside the point. You claimed that God already did that. That is not true. Please be honest. </font>[/QUOTE]Read HEBREWS 4 :3You are 100% wrong because you rejected Romans 16:26. YOU DENY that God is interested in having His Words translated accurately into the languages of every person in this world.
I provided 5 Bibles that C4K would see them. That is enough. If you have information on 5,000 languages. Can you provide me ALL of bibles if you can?Originally posted by robycop3:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TCassidy:
Okay, that's 5. But there are over 5,000 languages on Earth. Please name the rest of the bible's God provided to all nations that are the same as the KJV.
Did I? You are 100% wrong because you rejected Romans 16:26. YOU DENY that God is interested in having His Words translated accurately into the languages of every person in this world. </font>[/QUOTE]Here's a problem. Oftentimes the first Bible translated into a language is not very accurate. A KJVO advocate might say that the best Bible in Japanese is the Motoyaku ("Original Translation"), which was the first complete Bible in Japanese. It was translated from the KJV with reference to the TR, Chinese Bible of Morrison, etc. However, it was a lousy translation which I wouldn't use even if it were in print. Just one example: "wine" in the KJV was sometimes translated as sake ("rice wine," a very powerful drink). So in Japan, an MV is a much better translation than the supposed "KJV type" translation. Which would you use? </font>[/QUOTE]How much POISON is in rat poison? the devil never "ADDS" to the Word he "TAKES AWAY" from it;he knows that people who have read the KJB )If they studied it) if something was added they would know it wasn't there: So he always takes away from the word, he is a thief and a liar and a murderer from the beggining!Originally posted by John of Japan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Askjo:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TCassidy:
I did not claim there were bibles in all languages. YOU DID! Are you honest enough to admit you spoke falsely? If not, back up your false claim!