Featured Simple way that the bible teaches Free Will

Again I agree with you.

And I believe this is true of this man: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. --- He was created of the flesh, carnal, for the purpose of when sin came, dying he would die. How do we know that? Because God has told us that before the foundation of the world it was foreordained for the Son of Man, Christ, to shed his precious blood, die the death, for redemption.

Adam along with everything created before day seven was: for to vanity was the creation made subject -- not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it -- in hope,

That hope being the foreordained obedient unto death even the death of the cross of, Christ, the Son of Man.

I believe the following is important to the thought above.

2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

 

Why not just say Conviction causes ability because conviction is the drawing.
MB

 

What Is Free Will? by R.C. Sproul

 

Source of your definition that mentions you must have the ability to choose or its not a true choice. I didn't ask for commentary.

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them. John 6:44. The gospel message is a choice to be made right?

 

What I understand that choice does not assume ability. The dictionary never mentions that choice necessitates ability.

Unless God intervenes then yes, it is impossible for me to make the choice to believe even though we preach to all and everyone is given the choice

 

"The definition of choice ASSUMES ability", it does? Who says?

No one says you can make a choice with one option. Nice strawman.

I asked you to provide a definition of choice from anyone or anything other than yourself that would assert choice presumes ability. You have nothing.

 

A choice certainly assumes ability to make that decision other wise why offer the choice? Do you think God is ignorant and offers us choice when He would know whether or not we are capable to make a choice?
Maybe you think God is sadistic.and offers choice just to torture us.
MB

 

No, a choice does not assume ability. That's simply assumed by you.

Why offer the choice? Must I be sure of one's ability to make a choice before one is given? How would you propose I do that?

I certainly don't think God is ignorant. Let me ask, if God gives a choice, assuming your position on ability is correct, and He knows your choice ahead of time is that really a choice? You can not chose other than how God knows your going to chose right? So in a sense you could not have chosen otherwise correct? I assume you believe God is omniscient.

 

Assume is what you do is it not?
If God knows all there is to know why would He offer a choice if he already knows the answer. Yet there are many offers in scripture made by God.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
This is a offer to all that labor. We all labor and this requires a choice not predetermined.
MB

 

Freewill is a lie started by Lucifer when he said numerous times: "I will..." The first created being to invoke his will contrary to God's autonomy.

I agree with Martin Luther:
Full text of "Full text of "Martin Luther on the bondage of the will : to the venerable mister Erasmus of Rotterdam, 1525""

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An evident proof this, that Freewill is a downright lie
The truth, however, is, that God has never given Freewill (if by Freewill is meant an uncontrolled will) to any creature.
Freewill is not a matter of the Spirit, or of Christ, but a mere human affair
Freewill, by its own strength, cannot but fall ; and has no power, save to commit sin
Freewill is nothing but Satan s captive packhorse, which cannot have freedom, unless the devil be first of all cast out by the finger of God.
Freewill is nothing but the chiefest enemy of righteousness and of man s salvation ; because it cannot be, but that some amongst these Jews and Gentiles have acted and endeavoured with the uttermost power of Freewill; and yet with this very Freewill have done nothing but wage war against grace.

I agree with Charles Spurgeon:
The Spurgeon Center

Free-Will - A Slave
"And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."—John 5:40

" This is one of the great guns of the Arminians, mounted upon the top of their walls, and often discharged with terrible noise against the poor Christians called Calvinists. I intend to spike the gun this morning, or, rather, to turn it on the enemy, for it was never theirs; it was never cast at their foundry at all, but was intended to teach the very opposite doctrine to that which they assert. Usually, when the text is taken, the divisions are: First, that man has a will. Secondly, that he is entirely free. Thirdly, that men must make themselves willing to come to Christ, otherwise they will not be saved"

 

*Free will is defined as “volition” and this sustains the meaning that man has the ability to consciously choose; one cannot do both, have this ability and not have this ability in any logical sense. If man's response is determined by causal means to have an irresistible effect on the man then man's volition logically becomes void. ~Benjamin

 

There was a man who fell off a cliff and was caught on some rocks over a cold river. He was bruised and beaten with no chance of choosing anything, other than lying in a crumpled up mess. Rescue workers found him and after many hours they extracted the man and got him to a hospital where he healed and ultimately went home.

Every human being is that man, but the disaster is much, much worse when we are talking about the effects of sin. In our spiritual condition the Bible says we were dead in our trespasses and sins. A miraculous resurrection was needed.

Now, tell me what choice can be made in those circumstances.

The argument of free will is a fallacy brought on by the fact that even Christians don't think we were as bad off as we were. We harbor these thoughts that we were actually not that bad and God didn't really need to save us, but instead we were quite healthy and through rational thought we decided to choose God as the God in which we would believe.

 

Free will is something that is presumed or at the very least ones definition of free will. For instance, is your will free from God's providence or sovereignty?