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Since David Cloud's name is being brought in, what are his qualifications/education?

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annsni

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you know this thread was started to smear Cloud. you know it and i know it... and you do so at your own risk of bashing someone who has poured out their guts for Christ. thats on your soul, not mine.

if you want to know his credentials contact his ministry directly and i am sure they will give you his info.

but dont start a campaign to bash a true man of God just because he is KJO and has proven why he believes KJO over and over.

Once again, you claim to know my heart. How is that?? Are you God??

I asked here because there are those who support him and I thought maybe someone here knew what I could not find. I see that is not the case. His education/experience/qualifications are a great mystery for a man who's got much of his work on the internet. I find that fascinating.
 

John Toppass

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I believe if David Cloud is a preferred KJV then even his individual studies would merit attention. If David Cloud is KJVO then he is just part of a myth.
 

annsni

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Is asking for credentials on a subject "bashing"?

Guess so! I was just really curious and couldn't find any info online but sometimes I don't search with the right keywords or it's on page 20 of the search and I lose interest by that time. :) Figured SOMEONE here would know more.
 

brucebaptist

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Once again, you claim to know my heart. How is that?? Are you God??

I asked here because there are those who support him and I thought maybe someone here knew what I could not find. I see that is not the case. His education/experience/qualifications are a great mystery for a man who's got much of his work on the internet. I find that fascinating.

yes, i know your heart and the heart of every other man including my own... its desperately wicked and deceitful - Jer 17:9

from the KJ site (post)
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1576485&postcount=30

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when any of you can say that you can prove David Cloud wrong when he has put thousands of hours of work into the researching of bible versions....

"Oh David Cloud is quite wrong. His hours of work have been matched by others who have come to a quite different conclusion. There's a ton of error in his research so ...."

you started the smear campaign in that thread but since it got shutdown, you just thought you would start another Cloud bashing session...

you really embarrass yourself here on this one... you have the knowledge of Cloud to say that "he is quite wrong" and "there is a ton of error in his research"... yet you know nothing of the man....

so how many of Cloud's teachings have you listened to anyway? i mean, if someone can say that Cloud has "tons of error" in his teachings, obviously you have spent a lot of time listening to Cloud... and can make such a claim...so how many teachings of Clouds have you studied or listened to?
 

annsni

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yes, i know your heart and the heart of every other man including my own... its desperately wicked and deceitful - Jer 17:9

from the KJ site (post)
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1576485&postcount=30

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when any of you can say that you can prove David Cloud wrong when he has put thousands of hours of work into the researching of bible versions....

"Oh David Cloud is quite wrong. His hours of work have been matched by others who have come to a quite different conclusion. There's a ton of error in his research so ...."

you started the smear campaign in that thread but since it got shutdown, you just thought you would start another Cloud bashing session...

you really embarrass yourself here on this one... you have the knowledge of Cloud to say that "he is quite wrong" and "there is a ton of error in his research"... yet you know nothing of the man....

so how many of Cloud's teachings have you listened to anyway? i mean, if someone can say that Cloud has "tons of error" in his teachings, obviously you have spent a lot of time listening to Cloud... and can make such a claim...so how many teachings of Clouds have you studied or listened to?

I have looked at a good amount of his stuff and some is good and some is not. Of course the KJV stuff is a bunch of bunk and is easily disproved. Because of that, I chose to look up his credentials of which there appear to be none so I thought I'd ask here.

If you think I have another motive, so be it. I don't care. But I do see that I still see no qualifications listed at all. You can argue all you want but the evidence (or lack thereof) is quite telling.
 

brucebaptist

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I have looked at a good amount of his stuff and some is good and some is not. Of course the KJV stuff is a bunch of bunk and is easily disproved. Because of that, I chose to look up his credentials of which there appear to be none so I thought I'd ask here.

If you think I have another motive, so be it. I don't care. But I do see that I still see no qualifications listed at all. You can argue all you want but the evidence (or lack thereof) is quite telling.

[attack on a good translation of the Word of God snipped - poster warned that such language is NOT allowed and you will be penalized 10 yards next slam]
 
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Revmitchell

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his qualifications are the HS and he is a man of God and he has poured out his guts for the Gospel's sake. have you done that? have you started churches? have you traveled the world spreading the Gospel as he has?
have you witnessed to 100's of thousands of people for the cross of Christ?

what is 'telling'... is that you can find hatred in your heart for a brethren JUST because he exposes the NIV as being a work of satan, which it is, just b/c u like the N(ot) I(nspired) V(ersion)... what a shame you cant see the evils of satan which are obvious in the works of the 'new versions'...


I dispise the NIV, but you are overreaching in your accusations with Ann here.
 

Mexdeaf

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his qualifications are the HS and he is a man of God and he has poured out his guts for the Gospel's sake. have you done that? have you started churches? have you traveled the world spreading the Gospel as he has?
have you witnessed to 100's of thousands of people for the cross of Christ?

what is 'telling'... is that you can find hatred in your heart for a brethren JUST because he exposes the NIV as being a work of satan, which it is, just b/c u like the N(ot) I(nspired) V(ersion)... what a shame you cant see the evils of satan which are obvious in the works of the 'new versions'...

Son,

You need to grow up. Ann asked a simple question and you started questioning her motives instead of trying to find an answer.

You also need to read the rules for posting in this section. Calling other versions that you disagree with is not permitted.
 

Askjo

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Look at textual criticism -- anyone wants to be a textual critic -- Must he have his qualification/credentials? If so, will he tell lies what you defend?
 

annsni

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his qualifications are the HS and he is a man of God and he has poured out his guts for the Gospel's sake.

OK - So he has no education or qualifications beyond that?

have you done that?

Yep I have.

have you started churches?

Not yet. It starts on September 12th. :)


have you traveled the world spreading the Gospel as he has?

Neither did Jesus. ;)

have you witnessed to 100's of thousands of people for the cross of Christ?

Is that a requirement to be discerning?? Do I need a medical degree to say that a doctor is a quack??

what is 'telling'... is that you can find hatred in your heart for a brethren JUST because he exposes the NIV as being a work of satan,

Yes, I do have hatred for those who bash the Word of God. I do not hate Mr. Cloud but I do hate that part of his "message" and false teaching.


which it is,

You DO know that statement is against the rules, right? I'll just report that little stab against God.


just b/c u like the N(ot) I(nspired) V(ersion)... what a shame you cant see the evils of satan which are obvious in the works of the 'new versions'...

Once again - this has been reported.

I see there's still no qualifications listed - just attacks. Interesting and quite telling.
 

Mexdeaf

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Look at textual criticism -- anyone wants to be a textual critic -- Must he have his qualification/credentials? If so, will he tell lies what you defend?

If he wants to be credible he should have some studies in and be able to read Greek and Hebrew, at the very least. Having a website where one may "cut and paste" the erroneous conclusions of other self-styled experts does not make one an expert. Nor does staying in a Holiday Inn Express.
 

annsni

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Look at textual criticism -- anyone wants to be a textual critic -- Must he have his qualification/credentials? If so, will he tell lies what you defend?

He must at least know what he's saying. He must know Greek and Hebrew, Bible history and such. I'm looking to find out if Mr. Cloud has any of these. Do you have anything to answer the original question??

I find it fascinating that there's a ton of arguing but no simple "Sure. David Cloud studied under his pastor Pastor Joe and he also took some classes on Hebrew and Greek at Whatever Seminary (or University). While he doesn't have all of the qualifications of others, he's spent time doing additional work under the guidance of Pete Doe and David Doe." THAT would be an answer.
 

Askjo

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If he wants to be credible he should have some studies in and be able to read Greek and Hebrew, at the very least. Having a website where one may "cut and paste" the erroneous conclusions of other self-styled experts does not make one an expert. Nor does staying in a Holiday Inn Express.
Miss my point -- IF he tells lies what you defend, he would say this is correct and there is wrong. I read a detail about a student and a professor. When a student waved his hand in class, his professor came to him. His pupil asked him about a book. This professor looked at it and gave it back to him. Don't surprise me because he had no interest in that book. You know why he had no interest in it. This professor taught DIFFERENTLY than what a student researched and found more truth there. This professor trained his students. After they graduated from college, they taught others as their professor trained them. Still lies that they tell?
 

annsni

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Miss my point -- IF he tells lies what you defend, he would say this is correct and there is wrong. I read a detail about a student and a professor. When a student waved his hand in class, his professor came to him. His pupil asked him about a book. This professor looked at it and gave it back to him. Don't surprise me because he had no interest in that book. You know why he had no interest in it. This professor taught DIFFERENTLY than what a student researched and found more truth there. This professor trained his students. After they graduated from college, they taught others as their professor trained them. Still lies that they tell?

So who were his professors?? Did he have any? What school??
 
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