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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by preacher4truth, Jan 3, 2014.

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  1. quantumfaith

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    All day long.....please.
     
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  2. The Biblicist

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    You can't be serious? Knowing God is by revelation (2 Cor. 4:6; Gal. 1:15-16) and is not of "flesh and blood" (Mt. 16:17)..

    The text you are using you are abusing because you are jerking it out of the overall context of scripture concerning this topic. We can boast in the cross because we HAD NO PART IN IT. We can boast in knowing God because we HAD NO PART IN IT - it comes by revelation not by human study or effort. We can boast in God and His grace because it EXCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.
     
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  3. preacher4truth

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    That's it and he is serious. I knew this was his underlying doctrine long ago.

    Then we have yet another coming to defend that false teaching up above. I'm not surprised, he's of the same error and same ilk as well. There are more here, glorying in their achievement in knowing the Lord.

    Another thing, they say salvation is 100% of God, but then in the next breath glory in their personal achievement in knowing God? As stated, they can claim all the theological statements (i.e. salvation all of God) they want, but when they teach they deny these statements.

    He does this incessantly with Scripture because his entire foundation is in error -- it's man centered, and it came to the forefront when he teaches knowing the Lord is a personal achievement.
     
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  4. The Biblicist

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    These two verses completely deny that knowing either God the Father or God the Son is a personal acheivement:

    Mt 11:27 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

    Lu 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

    If such knowledge was universal or personal acheivement that would completely make the words of Christ foolish and void.
     
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  5. preacher4truth

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    :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :applause:

    Yes, and all of Scripture denies what he is teaching. I never knew that BB endorsed this teaching of knowing God by personal achievement and allowed a moderator to promote that dissident error. Could of swore the SOF and stance here was against that.
     
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    I’m sorry, but I can’t and won’t follow you.

    As a boy I was warned of a Pied Piper.

    As a man I was warned of the blind leading the blind and where they end up.

    But it is not only myself, preacher4truth and Biblicist who will not follow you.

    Not one Arminian or Pelagian board member will take up your cause, though I challenged them to do so.

    Whether it be boasting on your salvific accomplishments, or defaming the blood of Christ by stating, ‘but for grace the repentant believer still deserves Hell,’ we discern your fruit and we will not bite.
     
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    Unfortunately......yes they are, TOTALLY Serious. After everything, your surprised by this?
     
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    I told you. The noncalvinist saves himself.
     
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  9. preacher4truth

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    Yep, and now proof.

    I'm certain that what he teaches isn't endorsed by BB and I don't believe it should be tolerated, and yet were moderated by one who teaches this? That puts the past into perspective big time.

    Knowing the Lord is a personal achievement? When did that become acceptable teaching for a moderator? :confused:
     
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    Like stated, I saw this coming and am not the least bit shocked. Now I know why many of us have been trailed. :thumbs:
     
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    Your issue is not with what I said, but with what God said. Take it up with him. He said for us to boast in understanding and knowing him. Argue with God all you want, but he said what he said.

    Calvinists boast in knowing better soteriology all the time...(i.e. I can't believe you can't understand this...its as plain as the nose on your face...a child could understand this...why can't you understand this? etc etc), Is that your "personal achievement" to boast of? I boast in knowing and understanding God, you boast in knowing a theological man made system.
     
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    Actually it's YOU that is arguing with God in all of Scripture with your erroneous stance that denies the truth of salvation. No one else is arguing against God, all that have come against you have come against YOUR teaching and false interpretation, NOT God's Word. Your teaching is false here, and to be frank, it is shameful.
     
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    I want you to restate God's words and affirm them right now. Do you affirm that if we boast that we should boast in understanding and knowing Him? Yes or no?

    Define boasting however you wish, but these are GOD's words, not mine. Now affirm them or deny them. I'll wait.
     
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    It most certainly is. Quite in contradiction to anything God has said, you said it is a personal achievement.

    The will and power of men have been the cow patties dotting your field. Now you've stepped in it.
     
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    Right now? What is that, a threat? I'm not going to be bullied by anyone, OK?

    No one is denying God's Word so there is no need to pretend, we're simply exposing your false teaching and man-centric gospel of personal achievement.

    Now, could I give you the proper meaning of Jeremiah 9:24? Certainly. But why should I but only for you to rend it then turn on me as well?
     
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    So, you are refusing to affirm the very words of God, regardless of their definition? Interesting.

    This proves your beef is not with me, or even my interpretation, but with God himself. At least if I reject an interpretation of a verse you present I will present an alternative interpretation or definition of a term being debated, but you won't. You just reject God's word outright.
     
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    Actually Webster dictionary said that...I was asking P4T for an alternative definition of the word 'boasting' because that is the word God used, not me.

    All I did was quote God and then defined the terms using Websters, the rest was P4T disagreeing with God or Websters or both, I don't know because he has yet to offer another interpretation or definition of the words from God.
     
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    My beef is with your man-centric gospel of personal achievement and your false interpretation of Jeremiah 9:24.

    I accept God's Word from Genesis to Revelation, but I stand against your false teaching. But you can continue your unfounded false accusations all you want, it doesn't matter to me, I am in all good conscience before God.

    Your definition and application of boasting is nothing but glorying in man, and nothing in that verse or in all of Scripture does that.
     
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    I didn't even give you an interpretation. I quoted God and defined one word. You opposed that, yet you have yet to offer another definition or alternate method of interpreting this verse. You just ignore the word of God and pretend like I'm saying these things, when in reality GOD SAID IT.

    You have a problem with God...that is proven by the fact that you would NEVER repeat these words of His. You would never say that that we may boast in knowing or understanding Him, because that is not what you believe. You don't believe God's words, period. You hold Calvinism in higher esteem than the very Words of God.
     
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    You're back to that excuse now? Oh, you've interpreted it ever since for all to see.

    So if I don't repeat a verse, then I have a problem with God? :laugh:

    Let me reiterate -- I don't have a problem with God, I have a problem with your man-centric personal achievement gospel, as others have noted as well.

    Your first sentence is totally incorrect. You just don't get it, and I'm not going to be particularly helpful to you so that you do get it. As I stated I am not going that route only for you to rend the Word and turn on me as well.

    As to your last sentence I hold Christ above all, I repudiate your false teachings, and I do embrace what you call Calvinism as it is right on with the Word of God. I will add this, one doesn't need to be a Calvinist to see the grave error of your 'personal achievement'. The verse you wrest speaks nothing of the sort.
     
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