Smoking and Beer

[corndogggy]

Please find out what the posts are about before posting so we can stay on the same page, ok?

But you guys say the same stuff OVER AND OVER again... it messes with my drinking time if I read every last post. :thumbs:

 

[Brother Bob]

not
3361
mh
me
may
a primary particle of qualified negation (whereas ou - ou 3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverb) not, (conjunction) lest; also (as an interrogative implying a negative answer (whereas ou - ou 3756 expects an affirmative one)) whether:--any but (that), X forbear, + God forbid, + lack, lest, neither, never


given to wine
3943
paroinoV
paroinos
par'-oy-nos
from para - para 3844 and oinoV - oinos 3631; staying near wine, i.e. tippling (a toper):--given to wine.

 

[npetreley]

not
3361
mh
me
may
a primary particle of qualified negation (whereas ou - ou 3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverb) not, (conjunction) lest; also (as an interrogative implying a negative answer (whereas ou - ou 3756 expects an affirmative one)) whether:--any but (that), X forbear, + God forbid, + lack, lest, neither, never


given to wine
3943
paroinoV
paroinos
par'-oy-nos
from para - para 3844 and oinoV - oinos 3631; staying near wine, i.e. tippling (a toper):--given to wine.

Main Entry: 1tip·ple
Pronunciation: 'ti-p&l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): tip·pled; tip·pling /-p(&-)li[ng]/
Etymology: back-formation from obsolete tippler alehouse keeper, from Middle English tipler
intransitive verb : to drink liquor especially by habit or to excess
transitive verb : to drink (liquor) especially continuously in small amounts
- tip·pler /-p(&-)l&r/ noun

Main Entry: top·er
Pronunciation: 'tO-p&r
Function: noun
: one that topes; especially : [SIZE=-1]DRUNKARD[/SIZE]

So what you're saying is that a bishop should never be a drunkard, and never, without exception, get drunk.

I agree.

 

[Brother Bob]

No, I read it that a Bishop is not to drink wine.

But, help me out here. Where did you get tip pler? Never mind, I see it now.

Main Entry: 1tip·ple
Pronunciation: 'ti-p&l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): tip·pled; tip·pling /-p(&-)li[ng]/
Etymology: back-formation from obsolete tippler alehouse keeper, from Middle English tipler
intransitive verb : to drink liquor especially by habit or to excess
transitive verb : to drink (liquor) especially continuously in small amounts
- tip·pler /-p(&-)l&r/ noun

I have to say, that is a long way from "not given to wine".

 

[npetreley]

No, I read it that a Bishop is not to drink wine.

But, help me out here. Where did you get tip pler?

http://www.m-w.com

 

[Brother Bob]

not
3361
mh
me
may
a primary particle of qualified negation (whereas ou - ou 3756 expresses an absolute denial); (adverb) not, (conjunction) lest; also (as an interrogative implying a negative answer (whereas ou - ou 3756 expects an affirmative one)) whether:--any but (that), X forbear, + God forbid, + lack, lest, neither, never

Lets just say, he would be better off to stay from it period according to the "not", don't you agree?

 

[npetreley]

Lets just say, he would be better off to stay from it period according to the "not", don't you agree?

No, I don't agree. The "not" totally negates SOMETHING. The question is, what does it totally negate? It totally negates getting drunk. That's what the words say. It doesn't matter how strong you make "not". It doesn't change the meaning of "drunken".

 

[Brother Bob]

No, I don't agree. The "not" totally negates SOMETHING. The question is, what does it totally negate? It totally negates getting drunk. That's what the words say. It doesn't matter how strong you make "not". It doesn't change the meaning of "drunken".

Ok, I disagree but can see how you could come up with your answer too by going to the Greek. I can go to the Greek and come up with not drinking also. So you drink and I will abstain.