Snuggling With Satan?

[Zaatar71]

In a previously closed thread, The poster John C in trying to help us understand the bible, without PSA offers several ideas he believes are helpful! Let's take a look!

You needed an explanation for God laying our iniquities on Christ.

I thought it self-explanatory. But I realized you may be one of those visual learners.

Okay John, go for it!

Think of how it works for us in terms of righteousness. We put on a garmet of salvation (Isaiah) and robe of righteousness (Rev). We are clothed in the righteousness of Christ.

Okay

Now reverse that. How would it be if the Word became flesh?

Think of a blanket (since we are talking about the sins of the human race and a bunch of peoole instead of the righteousness of Christ).

A blanket??? Not the law of God, which we have broken? Not the law keeping of the Savior?

We earn the blanket of sin. But Jesus is sinless. The Word becomes flesh (is made as one of us). He is under this blanket too...but it is our blanket (just as our righteousness is His righteousness).

This blanket over mankind (and Jesus) is sin. It is our sin. It is laid on Christ. He bears our din. He dies for our sin. But this blanket is the power of Satan. It produces death. Jesus dies under the power of Satan (under this blanket).

So, in Johns mind, we are snuggling under a blanket with Satan? Not that we are responsible for our own sin, that we do in the flesh, that we have broken God's law word being spiritually dead as a result of the fall??? No, according to John's "helpful illustration", it is rather a blanket of sin which is the power of Satan?? Like flip Wilson used to say, the devil made me do it, the devil made me do it! Not only that...But it was not God who designed the cross as the place where His Divine wrath would be poured out, but rather Jesus is the victim of Satan, sort like he is a mugging victim! It has nothing to do with God's law being broken, or God's wrath against all sin as romans 1 declares. No instead, Jesus is lured in to snuggle under Satan's blanket. John explains is that this blanket gives us our own sin! So is he saying that Jesus, snuggling under the blanket of Satan, gets His own sin??? Jesus is sinless, so the question must be asked of John, are you saying jesus is awarded His own sin?

And God judges Him righteous. He is another type of life. Although we die under this blanket we will live in Christ. The power of that blanket is gone.

So, now Jesus in John's explanation, Jesus is judged as righteous, and although we die under this blanket of sin, somehow we live in Christ? The power of the blanket is gone, lol...John never answers the many verses about God's wrath.

Now....obviously that is an illustration. It is not foctrine but a visualization to help you understand what is causing you confusion.

John suggests he helps us, and removes confusion, by suggesting that we turn away from real truth, the verses related to the sacrificial system, the Passover, the cross, and learn how we all snuggle with Satan. Does this snuggling with Satan under this blanket of sin, in any way model the biblical revelation? We will investigate this remarkable teaching a bit further, stay tuned!

 

[Zaatar71]

Thankfully John offered more of these "helpful alternatives " here!

But it may help. Just think of us as wearing a robe of Jesus' righteousness and Jesus coming under our blanket of sin.

Does Jesus loose His righteousness when men wear it? No.
Does man loose their sin when it is laid on Jesus? No.

I am trying to dumb it down to helo you out. This type of visualization may help you. At least it gives you some consistency in working your way through the Bible.

Earlier, in the previous post John had offered more helpful ideas.

I did answer your question.

You asked what God laid our iniquities on Jesus means.

Okay, clarify it, thanks!

I told you it means that the Word became flesh, He is the "Son of Man" ( ἀνθρώπου means "mankind").

Okay...Every Christian knows Jesus came in a body in the likeness of sinful flesh. If he just came to eath by means of virgin birth, does that alone solve our problem? Martin and others actually explain the OT. Law and it's demands. They explain the problem of spiritual death as a result of the fall. No magical blanket of sin! JohnC continues-

Jesus bore our sins, died for our sins (He is sinless). He who knew no sin became sin for us.

here Johnc quotes scriptural fragments, but does not explain anything, just gives partial quotes, divorced from the scriptural context. he tells us that is not necessary! As another poster points out {maybe it was atpollard} John wants to use the language of scripture, which teaches PSA, but then deny it teaches PSA!

We suffer the wages of sin because we have sinned. Jesus suffered the wages of our sin.

JohnC disconnects the scriptural atonement, the penalty for our individual sins plural, and in his mind , we all snuggle under the blanket of Satan!

If you mean exactly how God laid our sins on Jesus that is a simpler explanation. It is called the "Incarnation".

So, trying to cover up his denial of PSA, he offers that just the reality of the Son being incarnate in some magical way, removes the wrath of the elect???or rather in his newfound beliefs, it removes all wrath for all people, then we wind up with a man centered theology in which man himself decides if he will be saved or not. No need to be concerned with a Covenant keeping God, God leaves it all up to man to decide, and He hopes man will choose Him!

I do not know what you find so difficult in the oassage. You have to tell me what you do not understand about God laying our iniquity on Jesus in order for me to explain it to you.

If we only knew all about the special snuggle blanket of Satan, we would not need all the theology of the sacrificial system. Who knew???

 

[JesusFan]

In a previously closed thread, The poster John C in trying to help us understand the bible, without PSA offers several ideas he believes are helpful! Let's take a look!


Okay John, go for it!

Okay

A blanket??? Not the law of God, which we have broken? Not the law keeping of the Savior?

So, in Johns mind, we are snuggling under a blanket with Satan? Not that we are responsible for our own sin, that we do in the flesh, that we have broken God's law word being spiritually dead as a result of the fall??? No, according to John's "helpful illustration", it is rather a blanket of sin which is the power of Satan?? Like flip Wilson used to say, the devil made me do it, the devil made me do it! Not only that...But it was not God who designed the cross as the place where His Divine wrath would be poured out, but rather Jesus is the victim of Satan, sort like he is a mugging victim! It has nothing to do with God's law being broken, or God's wrath against all sin as romans 1 declares. No instead, Jesus is lured in to snuggle under Satan's blanket. John explains is that this blanket gives us our own sin! So is he saying that Jesus, snuggling under the blanket of Satan, gets His own sin??? Jesus is sinless, so the question must be asked of John, are you saying jesus is awarded His own sin?

So, now Jesus in John's explanation, Jesus is judged as righteous, and although we die under this blanket of sin, somehow we live in Christ? The power of the blanket is gone, lol...John never answers the many verses about God's wrath.

John suggests he helps us, and removes confusion, by suggesting that we turn away from real truth, the verses related to the sacrificial system, the Passover, the cross, and learn how we all snuggle with Satan. Does this snuggling with Satan under this blanket of sin, in any way model the biblical revelation? We will investigate this remarkable teaching a bit further, stay tuned!

Satan had no ransom debt owed to Him, as the party that we are obligated to was God the Father, as our law breaking incurred a sin debt to Him, not satan

 

[JesusFan]

Thankfully John offered more of these "helpful alternatives " here!

Earlier, in the previous post John had offered more helpful ideas.

Okay, clarify it, thanks!

Okay...Every Christian knows Jesus came in a body in the likeness of sinful flesh. If he just came to eath by means of virgin birth, does that alone solve our problem? Martin and others actually explain the OT. Law and it's demands. They explain the problem of spiritual death as a result of the fall. No magical blanket of sin! JohnC continues-

here Johnc quotes scriptural fragments, but does not explain anything, just gives partial quotes, divorced from the scriptural context. he tells us that is not necessary! As another poster points out {maybe it was atpollard} John wants to use the language of scripture, which teaches PSA, but then deny it teaches PSA!

JohnC disconnects the scriptural atonement, the penalty for our individual sins plural, and in his mind , we all snuggle under the blanket of Satan!

So, trying to cover up his denial of PSA, he offers that just the reality of the Son being incarnate in some magical way, removes the wrath of the elect???or rather in his newfound beliefs, it removes all wrath for all people, then we wind up with a man centered theology in which man himself decides if he will be saved or not. No need to be concerned with a Covenant keeping God, God leaves it all up to man to decide, and He hopes man will choose Him!

If we only knew all about the special snuggle blanket of Satan, we would not need all the theology of the sacrificial system. Who knew???

My bible stated that Jesus death for due to the predestined plan and purpose of God the Father, not satan

 

[Zaatar71]

Satan had no ransom debt owed to Him, as the party that we are obligated to was God the Father, as our law breaking incurred a sin debt to Him, not satan

When any person turns away from the scriptural teaching of PSA, the have to invent false ideas that come up way short of truth, as we see with the snuggling under Satans blanket!

 

[Zaatar71]

My bible stated that Jesus death for due to the predestined plan and purpose of God the Father, not satan

Imagine that! That the bible teaches that God is in total control.

 

[Zaatar71]

Satan had no ransom debt owed to Him, as the party that we are obligated to was God the Father, as our law breaking incurred a sin debt to Him, not satan

To illustrate this, let’s again look back at the Day of Atonement rituals in the earthly Sanctuary. Remember, there were two goats involved in the earthly Day of Atonement ritual.

The first goat served the sacrificial death, as a substitute for the sinner, “for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life” (Leviticus 17:11, ESV). This represented Jesus, as He was innocent, and it is His blood that cleanses us.

The second goat, the scapegoat, bore the blame of the sins because it symbolized the ultimate author sin. The wickedness of all Israel’s sin was symbolically transferred to that goat and it was banished and set loose into the wilderness (Leviticus 16:20-22) thus removing the sins from the Israelite camp,

JohnC thinks there is no transference of the sin as the sacrificial system indicates there is; In stead Johnc suggests we all snuggle under Satans blanket???