4His_glory
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So why are the old Fundamentalist mad at the young ones?
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4His_glory
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True, and they are defined by what many fundamentalist would like to define them as.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Jeremiah 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
The old ways are the best ways. </font>[/QUOTE]Could you give us some examples please of the "old ways" that are best?
mcdirector
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I like this old way:
Exodus 15:20-21 ESV
Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women went out after her with tambourines and dancing. And Miriam sang to them:
"Sing to the Lord, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea."
Exodus 15:20-21 ESV
Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women went out after her with tambourines and dancing. And Miriam sang to them:
"Sing to the Lord, for he has triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider he has thrown into the sea."
Plain Old Bill
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Examples would be good.I see good and bad examples both old and new.Now what may seem old to you would be new to some of us.So I need to hear from your perspective.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Amen! That's a great one!
Gold Dragon
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I liken fundamentalism to a very active human immune system. It is good at getting rid of foreign substances. But it also has a tendency to attack itself.
Maybe the old and new fundamentalism frictions can be similar to a mother's immune system attacking her child. A common form of this is called Erythroblastosis fetalis.
Maybe the old and new fundamentalism frictions can be similar to a mother's immune system attacking her child. A common form of this is called Erythroblastosis fetalis.
Plain Old Bill
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An example from my perspective would be:
No onlyism on BV's
No extra-Biblical legalism
I stand against these things.
I am OSAS,pre-mil,pre-trib,Bible cover to cover,KJB preferred.I prefer the old hymns and like selected newer songs some southern and some bluegrass gospel mainly.I am not into the chanting type of some of the contemporary music.
I am 60 years old. I hope that gives you a frame of reference.
No onlyism on BV's
No extra-Biblical legalism
I stand against these things.
I am OSAS,pre-mil,pre-trib,Bible cover to cover,KJB preferred.I prefer the old hymns and like selected newer songs some southern and some bluegrass gospel mainly.I am not into the chanting type of some of the contemporary music.
I am 60 years old. I hope that gives you a frame of reference.
"The word "change" is scary to many."
Might be true, but on the other hand if someone came to your church and wanted to change what you do, which you think to be Biblical, would you not also find change scary if not unacceptable?
In the case of the older, what is, has seemed to be right/Biblical to them, whether it is to you or not, thus why would they want to change - indeed they probably aren't scared, just don't want to change what they feel is correct.
Change isn't always good, nor is it always bad. Change for change's sake is not wise.
Might be true, but on the other hand if someone came to your church and wanted to change what you do, which you think to be Biblical, would you not also find change scary if not unacceptable?
In the case of the older, what is, has seemed to be right/Biblical to them, whether it is to you or not, thus why would they want to change - indeed they probably aren't scared, just don't want to change what they feel is correct.
Change isn't always good, nor is it always bad. Change for change's sake is not wise.
Plain Old Bill
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Marcus Arelius (forgive the spelling).
The flaw in question is hyerfundamentalism. Hyperfundamentalism has been creeping into the church for quite some time now, by the time it's identified, it has often permeated the church to the point where it's incredibly difficult to combat.
If we don't get a handle on hyperfundamentalism, mainline fundamentalist Christians will end up being stangers in their own churches.
People like to do things the way they always have. What I see is not a desire for the "old ways" but a desire for nostalgia of the 50's to 80's...
That said, when I get older, I will not want to change either. My Grandsons will complain about CCM and modern worship and call them "Old Fasioned" And I will probably complain about their "new-fangled" style of worship that is yet to arrive.
That said, when I get older, I will not want to change either. My Grandsons will complain about CCM and modern worship and call them "Old Fasioned" And I will probably complain about their "new-fangled" style of worship that is yet to arrive.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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You sound a lot like me - ten years from now
Plain Old Bill
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Great.I hope to see you sometime in the next two years.
PastorMark
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I don't think that old fundamentalists are mad at young fundamentalists at all. I know many young fundamental Baptist Preachers that stand solid on fundamental values. I think the old fundamentalists, like me, are sick and tired of (not necesarrily mad at) people of any age who call themselves fundamental, but live and preach a liberal lifestyle.
It is upsetting to me that when I go on vacation and see a Church with a sign that says Independent Fundamental Baptist, that I can't know in advance that I'm not going to hear preaching from a worldly viewpoint, or be exposed to music that belongs at the local drug house.
I hope I still managed to make my point while being so reserved in manner.
Pastor Mark.
It is upsetting to me
that when I go on vacation and see a Church with a sign that says Independent Fundamental Baptist, that I can't know in advance that I'm not going to hear preaching from a worldly viewpoint, or be exposed to music that belongs at the local drug house.I hope I still managed to make my point while being so reserved in manner.
Pastor Mark.
mcdirector
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You are right. What we do needs to have a biblical basis. But there have been changes for which I'm quite grateful.Originally posted by exscentric:
Change isn't always good, nor is it always bad. Change for change's sake is not wise.
I'll admit I don't like the change that's moved us from the hymnal to the IMAG for the words of hymns.
Diggin in da Word
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Amen, PastorMark!
The majority of the churches have let the devil slip into their doors, onto their platforms, and even behind their pulpits.
They dissect the Word of God with so many worldly views, disgrace the sanctuary with worldly music, and discredit the drawing of the Holy Spirit by offering that which pleases the flesh instead of the spirit.
The majority of the churches have let the devil slip into their doors, onto their platforms, and even behind their pulpits.
They dissect the Word of God with so many worldly views, disgrace the sanctuary with worldly music, and discredit the drawing of the Holy Spirit by offering that which pleases the flesh instead of the spirit.
mcdirector
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I think that any of us who call ourselves fundamentalist don't agree with liberalism. That seems to be more of an identity crises to me. They don't know who they are so they call themselves anything.
I think to say that the majority of the churches have slipped into worldly ways is harsh. What churches are you referring to? Numbering them in the "many," I could agree with, but not the majority.
Personally, I am hurting for the lost more than I am agonizing over the lack of propriety in a Bible-teaching church.
I think to say that the majority of the churches have slipped into worldly ways is harsh. What churches are you referring to? Numbering them in the "many," I could agree with, but not the majority.
Personally, I am hurting for the lost more than I am agonizing over the lack of propriety in a Bible-teaching church.
Diggin in da Word
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The majority of SBC have taken a liberal stand.
The majority of Presbyterian have taken a liberal stand.
The majority of AoG have taken a liberal stand.
Pentecostals are losing many of their values.
Churches all over have backed down from their convictions over the last 35 - 40 years.
And, as PastorMark pointed out, it is slipping in the IFB churches as well.
The majority of Presbyterian have taken a liberal stand.
The majority of AoG have taken a liberal stand.
Pentecostals are losing many of their values.
Churches all over have backed down from their convictions over the last 35 - 40 years.
And, as PastorMark pointed out, it is slipping in the IFB churches as well.
mcdirector
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Diggin,
You state your opinion as if it were fact. I'm SBC and bet that the liberal camp would argue with your statement. I see liberalism creeping in, but I don't think it's the majority.
I wrote at the BSSB for years with a gal who's husband was on staff at one of those "liberal" churches. We were both in Atlana at the time. One day I couldn't stand it anymore that she was a liberal! I called her and we got together for me to grill her on her beliefs. When we sat down and compared spiritual notes, I was surprised to find out that she and I shared the same fundamental beliefs. I haven't been so quick to label a church (or believe the label I heard) since then.
Bitsy
You state your opinion as if it were fact. I'm SBC and bet that the liberal camp would argue with your statement. I see liberalism creeping in, but I don't think it's the majority.
I wrote at the BSSB for years with a gal who's husband was on staff at one of those "liberal" churches. We were both in Atlana at the time. One day I couldn't stand it anymore that she was a liberal! I called her and we got together for me to grill her on her beliefs. When we sat down and compared spiritual notes, I was surprised to find out that she and I shared the same fundamental beliefs. I haven't been so quick to label a church (or believe the label I heard) since then.
Bitsy