So why do you American Baptists hate Obama so much?

[matt wade]

I will not be lectured on biblical love from someone who doesn't believe John the Baptist was alive when he jumped in his mother's womb. If you can justify the murder of the unborn, then any lecture on hate is lost on me.

Very true. I agree that anyone that votes for someone that supports abortion is just as guilty of the sin of murder as the abortion doctor is.

That being said, I don't hate Obama. But I do pray his reign is a short one. I pray our nation wakes up to the one party system disguised as democracy, and starts voting in some worthy servants.

:thumbsup:

 

[OldRegular]

Is that being racist or prudent?

You apparently thought the reluctance of the SBC pastor to take the Atlanta transit was racist. Perhaps he was just prudent. A little consistency goes a long way.

 

[John Toppass]

I'm not sure, interesting though isn't it? :thumbs:

You know, since you're all worried about the laws of the old testament being null and void, I should remind you that it was Jesus who got mad at people for not stoning their children to death if they cursed their parents, which was an old testament law. (Matthew 15:3-4)

Apparently he didn't want that one to be null and void, so why would the others be? After all, Jesus specifically said that he did not come to destroy the laws of the old testament. (Matthew 5:17)

I do not see how you read that into Matt 15:3-4. I do not read that Jesus was mad. Try reading the scripture in context and not adding weird thoughts to it.

 

[OldRegular]

What does Jesus Christ mean when HE states in Mark 6:11:

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

 

[tinytim]

I don't know why I bother to respond to you and try and reason with you, since you seem intent on mocking scripture and trying to point anything you think is a fault, but I'm going to try anyway.

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Matt, you always find a way to crack me up!...

:laugh: :wavey:

We have to love everyone.. "Love thy neighbors"... Everyone that is a citizen of this world is our neighbor... Christ made this clear when he was teaching against prejudice against the Samaritans.

Do I hate what some do? OR COURSE.. but I wouldn't want them burning in Hell for eternity... If a person truly wants a person to burn in Hell, they are not saved. Can't be.. they don't have the love of Christ in them.

 

[corndogggy]

I do not see how you read that into Matt 15:3-4. I do not read that Jesus was mad. Try reading the scripture in context and not adding weird thoughts to it.

He went into a long rant against them, calling them hypocrites, called them out for not following a commandment of God, said that Esaias was right about them, offended them, basically said their worship was meaningless, called them blind leaders who will fall in a ditch, etc. I fail to see how it is "weird" to assume that he was a little mad with all this in mind. I seriously doubt Jesus said alot of this stuff with no emotion.

 

[Crabtownboy]

He went into a long rant against them, calling them hypocrites, called them out for not following a commandment of God, said that Esaias was right about them, offended them, basically said their worship was meaningless, called them blind leaders who will fall in a ditch, etc. I fail to see how it is "weird" to assume that he was a little mad with all this in mind. I seriously doubt Jesus said alot of this stuff with no emotion.

I believe you are right saying that Jesus showed emotion. He also showed a great sense of humor.

I have been told that the Greek indicates that Jesus screamed at Peter when he said, "Get thee behind me satan ..............

From Strong's on the word Jesus used:

4) to tax with fault, rate, chide, rebuke, reprove, censure severely
a) to admonish or charge sharply

 

[matt wade]

What does Jesus Christ mean when HE states in Mark 6:11:

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

He means that we are to witness to people, but if they don't accept the Gospel they will spend eternity in hell.

What does that have to do with hating someone?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Someone explain Christ's words & actions in Matthew 15; 22-27.

 

[matt wade]

Someone explain Christ's words & actions in Matthew 15; 22-27.

Curtis, the explanation is in verse 28:

Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Jesus did not call this woman a dog out of hate. He was talking tongue in cheek and illustrating the behaviour of the Jews in that day and time. He knew very well what her response was going to be. The verses 22-28, in total, show us that He came not just for the Jew, but for all that have faith regardless of their station in life.

 

[corndogggy]

The verses 22-28, in total, show us that He came not just for the Jew, but for all that have faith regardless of their station in life.

Unless they lived in Asia. (Acts 16:6) He didn't want to preach to Gentiles and Samaritans either. (Matthew 10:5-6) Jesus told the disciples on two different occasions that he was only there for the lost sheep of Israel.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Unless they lived in Asia. (Acts 16:6) He didn't want to preach to Gentiles and Samaritans either. (Matthew 10:5-6) Jesus told the disciples on two different occasions that he was only there for the lost sheep of Israel.

And just before ascending to heaven he said "Go ye into all the world............"

Did he change his mind.

How do you reconcile the two passages?

 

[Martin]

you are putting your own spin on this Scripture

==No, I am just paying attention to the actual words and context of the verses. You are reading all sorts of things into a passage. Romans 12:9 says nothing about hating people. I would also add that your understanding of the verse is also refuted by verses 14-21 of the same chapter (and Matt 5:43-44). Having said that I'm certain you are not about to change your mind.

Are we supposed to love these evil people?

==What did Jesus say? Love your enemies. Even those who persecute and do physical violence to you (Matt 5:38-48). What did Paul say? Don't be overcome by what is evil but by what is good (Rom 12:14-21). What is good? Love is good. We must love our neighbor (Rom 13:8-10, Lk 10:29-37). So according to Scripture we are to love all sinners. We are not to love their sin, we are to hate it, but we are to love them. Why? Because we are told to and because they were created in the image of God.

I think not, and I don't believe that Scripture, correctly interpreted and in context, teaches that.

==Sorry, but you are wrong on this point.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Curtis, the explanation is in verse 28:



Jesus did not call this woman a dog out of hate. He was talking tongue in cheek and illustrating the behaviour of the Jews in that day and time. He knew very well what her response was going to be. The verses 22-28, in total, show us that He came not just for the Jew, but for all that have faith regardless of their station in life.

Verse 21 tells me he departed from the Pharisees. His disciples don't show up until verse 23. I am not saying you are wrong, but he left her without a word, at first. I think he was testing her faith. There doesn't seem to be any Pharisees around, in this episode.

My point is, there are folks who would have called him hateful & racist, had they not witnessed the whole thing. I am not pretending I agree with some statements here, about hate, and my challenge on the word hasn't even been addressed, but I also say people accuse others of hate as a first response. The O/P is a prime example.

 

[matt wade]

but I also say people accuse others of hate as a first response. The O/P is a prime example.

I can see your point. We do need to get the whole story on issues before we form a conclusion. In my defense, I haven't accused anyone of hate. I've only pointed out to the person that said they did hate Obama that it was wrong.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

If you hate Obama, then you have to hate Bush. If you love the guy, you must love Bush. They are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Alcott]

If you hate Obama, then you have to hate Bush. If you love the guy, you must love Bush. They are two sides of the same coin.

I didn't know either of them have been minted into coins yet. Wouldn't be bad though-- "Bush or Obama" instead of "heads or tails."

 

[OldRegular]

If you hate Obama, then you have to hate Bush. If you love the guy, you must love Bush. They are two sides of the same coin.

That is sheer nonsense. There is no way that these two men are comparable.

1. Bush was pro life --- obama is rabidly pro abortion.

2. Bush defended the 2nd amendment --- obama wants to limit our right to bear arms.

3. Bush spent too much money --- obama makes Bush look like a piker.

4. Bush was against homosexual marriage --- obama is ambivalent.

5. Bush was in favor of school vouchers --- obama is against school vouchers.

6. Bush recognized the need for more oil and nuclear energy --- obama is against both, and there are 243 million oil burning cars on the road.

7. Bush unfortunately expanded medicare to include perscription drugs --- obama wants a socialist health care plan.

8. Both Bush and obama are wrong on immigration policy.

10. Bush did not associate with leftists and terrorists --- obama’s close associates were marxist Jeremiah Wright, racketeer Tony Rezko, and terrorist Bill Ayers.

11. Bush put strict constructionists on the Supreme Court --- Obama will put leftists who want to throw the Constitution out and use European precedent.

12. Bush wanted to privitize a part of Social Security --- obama is against privitization of Social Security.

13 Bush was for a strong military --- obama has cut the military budget and is against the missile defense system.

My thanks to matt wade for most of obama's views in the above list.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

That is sheer nonsense. There is no way that these two men are comparable.

You just keep telling yerself that.

 

[LadyEagle]

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