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Socialism doesn't work: You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

Crabtownboy

Crabtownboy

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LadyEagle said:
Perhaps we should start a thread about socialism, communism, and capitalism. Care to do that, Crabby?
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Not a bad idea.

Rev. entered the OP so he should supply a link showing this is not an urban legend. He made the charge, it is his to prove.

It is suspicious in that the wording is past tense and Obama has only been in office since Jan. Not much past tense yet. Also, who has ever been in a college class where everyone agreed. That alone is enough to say, "Hey, something is wrong here."
 
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targus

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Crabtownboy said:

Rev. entered the OP so he should supply a link showing this is not an urban legend. He made the charge, it is his to prove.
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What charge did he make?

You are the one making the charge.

Do your research before criticizing others.

I also don't see in the OP where it is characterized as a true story, urban legend, fairytale, analogy, parable, or anything else.

Try to stop living up to your screen name. It's quite unbecoming.
 
carpro

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Johnv said:
I desired only to denote the general inappropriateness of socialism. I leave it to others to opine over what to think of those that advocate it.
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I see.

What, in your opinion, makes socialism "inappropriate"?
 
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Johnv

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Robert Snow said:
Isn't it Johnv who actually stated that this story was an urban legend?
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Indeed, 'twas me. The poster of the OP has objected to me noting that this is an urban legend, but has not objected to the fact that the OP is an urban legend.

There are numerous sites that denote this as fiction, erumor, and urban legend. Here's the most common example:

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

carpro said:
What, in your opinion, makes socialism "inappropriate"?
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Whenever material resources are redistributed in a manner in which a certain segment of the population receives an unearned gain, it breeds a sense of entitlement to that unearned gain. The resulting mentality of entitlement is what makes socialism inappropriate.

That said, there are facets of socialism that are perfectly appropriate, such as police and fire services, public utilities, libraries, and other municipal or governmental infrastructure systems. These do not result in unearned gains of individuals.
 
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rbell

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I notice that now that we're fixated on the "urban legend" angle...we're not dealing with the quite solid points made in the OP...
 
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rbell

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billwald said:
Most families are communistic. Many social organizations are socialistic, Moose, Masons . . . . Socialism worked well in the Scandinavian countries until the EEC and their population was diluted with aliens. Religious orders are communistic.
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Baloney.

Communism is a forced system. Religious, and most families (certainly between adults) are not.

Get your facts straight.
 
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rbell

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alatide said:
It's not my concern either because this whole charge about Obama being a socialist is ridiculous, a figment of the evil imagination of far right Republican losers.
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JustChristian, perhaps you don't understand the trend toward bank nationalization...Government Motors...C(r)ap and trade...government healthcare...

Socialist programs all.

Throw tantrums and name-call all you want. It's been proven that Obama has (at the very least) socialist leanings. It's as plain as day.
 
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LadyEagle

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Here's one from wikipedia:

Bill Ayers

For the bombing of the United States Capitol on March 1, 1971, they issued a communiqué saying it was "in protest of the US invasion of Laos." For the bombing of The Pentagon on May 19, 1972, they stated it was "in retaliation for the US bombing raid in Hanoi." For the January 29, 1975 bombing of the United States Department of State Building, they stated it was "in response to escalation in Vietnam."[5] The Weathermen grew out of the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM) faction of SDS. It took its name from the lyric "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows", from the Bob Dylan song Subterranean Homesick Blues. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows was the title of a position paper they distributed at an SDS convention in Chicago on June 18, 1969. This founding document called for a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other radical movements[6] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and achieve a classless world: world communism."[7]
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"Black Liberation Movement" = Jeremiah Wright and James Cone
 
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billwald

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You are changing the subject, so be it

The IP was criticizing an economic theory, not a political system.

Doesn't communism and socialism as an economic theory "work" in very small social groups? Does your family elect its president and family council in a "democratic" fashion? Does The Wife get an equal vote in committee?


>That does not equal communism with is forced on the people by use of force (government).

Is The US not forcing Democracy on Iraq? How many revolutions has the US started and/or supported in foreign countries?
 
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Revmitchell

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billwald said:
The IP was criticizing an economic theory, not a political system.

Doesn't communism and socialism as an economic theory "work" in very small social groups? Does your family elect its president and family council in a "democratic" fashion? Does The Wife get an equal vote in committee?


>That does not equal communism with is forced on the people by use of force (government).

Is The US not forcing Democracy on Iraq? How many revolutions has the US started and/or supported in foreign countries?
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No the US is not forcing anything on anyone. Really you need to collect facts first.
 
carpro

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Johnv said:
Indeed, 'twas me. The poster of the OP has objected to me noting that this is an urban legend, but has not objected to the fact that the OP is an urban legend.

There are numerous sites that denote this as fiction, erumor, and urban legend. Here's the most common example:

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp


Whenever material resources are redistributed in a manner in which a certain segment of the population receives an unearned gain, it breeds a sense of entitlement to that unearned gain. The resulting mentality of entitlement is what makes socialism inappropriate.

That said, there are facets of socialism that are perfectly appropriate, such as police and fire services, public utilities, libraries, and other municipal or governmental infrastructure systems. These do not result in unearned gains of individuals.
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"Inappropriate" just seems to be a strange term to use to describe socialism. :confused:

But I would not apply the term socialistic to fire and police services and certainly not utilities, the majority of which are not "public" at all.
 
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windcatcher

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Crabtownboy said:
The point is you posted an untrue legend as truth. Hardly honest. Every economic system has its strengths and weaknesses. From all your earlier posts I am not sure you understand the difference between socialism and communism. Also, I am not sure you understand pure capitalism.

Maybe I should find some urban legend to post as truth also. :laugh:
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Evidentally..... You don't recognize the use of parables.

Jesus did.

He was the greatest teacher that ever lived.
 
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Johnv

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windcatcher said:
Evidentally..... You don't recognize the use of parables
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On that note, there are numerous threads on thsi very board that debate whether parables were they were fictional stories used to convey a spiritual truth, or whether they were real events. There is no shortage of folks to think that they must be real in order to be true, based on the notion that Jesus doesn't lie.

That said, the OP is an urban legend, and there's no disputing that. There is nothing inappropriate in noting that. Neither is it inappropriate to note that a biblical parable is typically fictional.
 
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