Socialism Is Bad for the Environment

[GoodTidings]

I'll pass on this ridiculous thread this time.

It's not ridiculous. YOU called the UK and Denmark "Democratic Socialist" That was you. I was simply responding to that fact. It's only "ridiculous" now that you can't defend your previous statements.

The Liberal narrative about how wonderful socialist countries are, depends on them labeling countries like Denmark, England, Sweden, Norway, etc. as being socialist when they are not. They don't look at REAL socialist countries like North Korea or Venezuela.

 

[KenH]

Medicare should be offered to everyone?

The more likely scenario is that the Medicare age will be lowered to age 55 to cover people, like me, who are put out to pasture by their employer well before age 65. By God’s providence I had retiree medical so my situation stayed the same in that regard.

 

[InTheLight]

The more likely scenario is that the Medicare age will be lowered to age 55 to cover people, like me, who are put out to pasture by their employer well before age 65. By God’s providence I had retiree medical so my situation stayed the same in that regard.

That would definitely mean an increase in the Medicare payroll tax, currently 1.45% on employees and 1.45% on employers.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Sure, single payer. By necessity that means eliminating all private health insurance companies. It's inevitable.

The health insurance companies are an unnecessary middleman which increases the price of healthcare significantly. I do think that if we made the move to single payer, fees paid to real healthcare providers like doctors, PA's and nurses should go up. Hospitals are another cause of our high medical costs. In addition, privatized EMS providers prices are incredible. In my area if you call 911 and an ambulance takes you to the hospital, the privatized EMS charges you an incredible $4,000 per trip! This is counted by insurance companies as an out of network cost There is a deal with Medicare for "only $750/trip." People who know about this where it's happening plead not to be taken to the hospital in EMS. This is only going on in about 25% of the country but I think it's outrageous.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The more likely scenario is that the Medicare age will be lowered to age 55 to cover people, like me, who are put out to pasture by their employer well before age 65. By God’s providence I had retiree medical so my situation stayed the same in that regard.

You're lucky if you got retiree insurance from your company. Were you a union employee? I was an engineer with AT&T for 38 years and they gave me Medicare, period. On the other hand, I've found Medicare to be very good much better than I expected. In fact it's better than my AT&T insurance was before I retired in 2016.

 

[KenH]

You're lucky if you got retiree insurance from your company. Were you a union employee?

Yes, my wife and I were blessed to have retiree insurance. No, I was not a member of a union. I was an accountant for an oil company for 39 years.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Yes, my wife and I were blessed to have retiree insurance. No, I was not a member of a union. I was an accountant for an oil company for 39 years.

Good. It worked out well for me. I was laid off at age 66 3 months before my 67th birthday.

 

[KenH]

Good. It worked out well for me. I was laid off at age 66 3 months before my 67th birthday.

I was 61. They called it a retirement and gave me 9 months of severance pay, which was almost to my 62nd birthday when I could start drawing Social Security.

 

[FollowTheWay]

That would definitely mean an increase in the Medicare payroll tax, currently 1.45% on employees and 1.45% on employers.

The details need to be worked out but if you no longer had to pay healthcare insurance that would save you a lot of money. Actually, just for the current system to remain viable the top income on which FICA taxes are levied needs to be raised. I reject cutting benefits or throwing people off as an acceptable solution. People call both of these entitlements. Well, that's right. I'm entitled to Social Security and Medicare because both me and my employer paid into them for over 40 years.

 

[GoodTidings]

The details need to be worked out but if you no longer had to pay healthcare insurance that would save you a lot of money

No, it would not save you a lot of money. If we went to a single-payer system, taxes would be through the roof to pay for it. We would still be paying for healthcare. We would be paying thousands more per household per year under something like single-payer. There are other ways to achieve lower costs, take care of pre-existing conditions and improve overall care without resorting the very-same system that doesn't work in other countries, and that other people in other countries come to America to get away from. Socialized medicine is too expensive and when you consider all of the other things that Liberals want to do to America like free college, and the Green New Deal, there is simply not enough money to pay for these ridiculous, unworkable ideas.

If you want single payer, why not go live in a country that already has it? Why be a plague on America?

 

[GoodTidings]

Adrian Roger's anti-Socialism quote:

"Friend, you cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. And what one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody. And when half of the people get the idea they don't have to work because the other half's going to take care of them, and when the other half get the idea it does no good to work because somebody's going to get what I work for. That, dear friend, is about the end of any nation."

Adrian Rogers

 

[just-want-peace]

Adrian Roger's anti-Socialism quote:

"Friend, you cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. And what one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody. And when half of the people get the idea they don't have to work because the other half's going to take care of them, and when the other half get the idea it does no good to work because somebody's going to get what I work for. That, dear friend, is about the end of any nation."

Adrian Rogers

Or, as the ole British gal said, "The biggest problem with socialism is that at some point you're going to run out of other peoples money.", and when the conditions you've noted above occur, her quote will emerge as fact!!!!

If you don't like our system, that is working, at worst, the equivalent of other countries HC systems, I'd suggest you take a long term visit to your preferred "UTOPIA" and "test drive" their system before abandoning what IS now working in the good ole US of A.
Once the libs get their socialist agenda in place, there ain't no going back!!!

 

[Revmitchell]

The health insurance companies are an unnecessary middleman which increases the price of healthcare significantly. I do think that if we made the move to single payer, fees paid to real healthcare providers like doctors, PA's and nurses should go up. Hospitals are another cause of our high medical costs. In addition, privatized EMS providers prices are incredible. In my area if you call 911 and an ambulance takes you to the hospital, the privatized EMS charges you an incredible $4,000 per trip! This is counted by insurance companies as an out of network cost There is a deal with Medicare for "only $750/trip." People who know about this where it's happening plead not to be taken to the hospital in EMS. This is only going on in about 25% of the country but I think it's outrageous.

Aww look he thinks the government can do it cheaper than the private industry can. Funny! Delusional but funny.

 

[GoodTidings]

Or, as the ole British gal said, "The biggest problem with socialism is that at some point you're going to run out of other peoples money.", and when the conditions you've noted above occur, her quote will emerge as fact!!!!

If you don't like our system, that is working, at worst, the equivalent of other countries HC systems, I'd suggest you take a long term visit to your preferred "UTOPIA" and "test drive" their system before abandoning what IS now working in the good ole US of A.
Once the libs get their socialist agenda in place, there ain't no going back!!!

Socialism is something you vote your way into, but you have to shoot your way out of.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Socialism is something you vote your way into, but you have to shoot your way out of.

Exactly. Which is the real reason these "Progressives" want to take away arms.

 

[GoodTidings]

Exactly. Which is the real reason these "Progressives" want to take away arms.

one of the first steps in creating a socialist economy and system of government is to disarm the people. It's what they did in Venezuela. And now those people have no way of ridding themselves of a socialist tyrant.

 

[777]

Don't ;like the term "single payer", it takes the focus off of the fact that taxpayers are actually footing the bill, the government isn't paying the bills, you are.

But, yeah, socialized medicine is giving full control to the government for you health and life. How can these people blindly trust the government to oversee your healthcare? Many of these same people are Troofers, Warren Report skeptics. and think FDR ordered Pearl Harbor yet they are in a fit to waive their 2A rights and have the same government in charge of their healthcare.

 

[just-want-peace]

Don't ;like the term "single payer", it takes the focus off of the fact that taxpayers are actually footing the bill, the government isn't paying the bills, you are.

But, yeah, socialized medicine is giving full control to the government for you health and life. How can these people blindly trust the government to oversee your healthcare? Many of these same people are Troofers, Warren Report skeptics. and think FDR ordered Pearl Harbor yet they are in a fit to waive their 2A rights and have the same government in charge of their healthcare.

Does make one wonder just how many cards shy of a full deck these sheeple be!!??

 

[FollowTheWay]

Adrian Roger's anti-Socialism quote:

"Friend, you cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. And what one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody. And when half of the people get the idea they don't have to work because the other half's going to take care of them, and when the other half get the idea it does no good to work because somebody's going to get what I work for. That, dear friend, is about the end of any nation."

Adrian Rogers

If the "freedom" of the wealthy is to pass tax laws that greatly benefit them and to pay starvation wages to the middle class I don't call that freedom. I call it taking advantage of those with not as much political power for your own gain. That's been happening in the U.S. since at least Reagan.

 

[GoodTidings]

If the "freedom" of the wealthy is to pass tax laws that greatly benefit them and to pay starvation wages to the middle class I don't call that freedom. I call it taking advantage of those with not as much political power for your own gain. That's been happening in the U.S. since at least Reagan.

Except that is not what happened at all. You are expressing a liberal talking point that has no basis in fact.

The tax cuts have resulted in higher wages for average Americans, have resulted in more, better paying jobs for average Americans. Does everyone become a millionaire? No. But those who are willing to taking advantage of the opportunities are doing better.

The record unemployment is due directly to the tax cuts. Yes, the wealthy benefited from those cuts, but that resulted in them being able to open more stores, and hire more people. And when you hire more people and open up new stores, branches and businesses, those new employees are also NEW taxpayers who contribute to the economy . That, in turn, means that you don't have to raise taxes on anyone because you have a broader tax base that is shouldering the tax burden. The more people who are shouldering that tax burden don't have to pay more because more tax revenue is being generated at a lower tax rate. It beats the Democrat plan which kills millions of jobs, and then taxes the stuffing out of the few people who are left who have jobs.

Lower taxes and lower unemployment are linked and that is why this silly Liberal canard that says that only the rich benefited from the tax cut is an absolute lie. Everyone benefits that gets out and puts out the work to get ahead. Not everyone is going to be filthy rich, but not everyone needs to be filthy rich. Many don't even have that as an aspiration.

And the economy isn't done growing. Trump has already done what Obama said could not be done. He did what the talking heads on Leftist economic cable news shows said could not be done.

When there are more jobs than people to fill them, it means that a lot of good things are happening. It might not yet have reached the ideal, but this is work in process and a lot more needs to be done.

One thing is clear to me and that is the Liberals do NOT understand the basic metrics of economics.