Socialist paradise: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries

[FollowTheWay]

Well, gee whiz...I wonder who is the engine of economic growth? Who produces the goods that consumers purchase? Who hires people?

And BTW, I noticed your attempt to redefine inequality from wealth transfer to greater participation in economic growth.


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I have three herniated disks in my neck, I have two herniated disks in my lower back and one fractured vertebrae. My church does not provide insurance. I believe we have the best health care system in the world.

Far too many of those in America that have received Obamacare did not actually receive any day to day coverage. This is due to a 9 to 12 thousand dollar deductible per year per person. My wife had a double mastectomy and reconstruction surgery. We will be paying on that deductible for quite some time.

I believe we have the best healthcare system (pre-obamacare) in the world.

The difference between you and me is I do not believe it is governments job to solve all my problems. Its my responsibility. Whatever the government gets involved in costs way to much money.

Obamacare is nothing but a pretense of insurance that leaves people struggling anyway.

So you have no insurance? Your problems are nothing like the ones Jim faced. The aneurysm surgery lasted 6 1/2 hours and required that his heart be stopped for an hour and a half. I know because i had the exact same surgery.

Have you ever had Obamacare? My brother did and it's nothing like you described.

 

[Revmitchell]

So you have no insurance? Your problems are nothing like the ones Jim faced. The aneurysm surgery lasted 6 1/2 hours and required that his heart be stopped for an hour and a half. I know because i had the exact same surgery.

Have you ever had Obamacare? My brother did and it's nothing like you described.

Everyone who has it has it like I described. Everyone.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Everyone who has it has it like I described. Everyone.

Once again. Your problems are minor. After Jim's second leg surgery he was on a walker for 6 months. Everybody has minor problems like yours and you know nothing about Obamacare.

 

[Matt Black]

I have three herniated disks in my neck, I have two herniated disks in my lower back and one fractured vertebrae. My church does not provide insurance. I believe we have the best health care system in the world.

Far too many of those in America that have received Obamacare did not actually receive any day to day coverage. This is due to a 9 to 12 thousand dollar deductible per year per person. My wife had a double mastectomy and reconstruction surgery. We will be paying on that deductible for quite some time.

I believe we have the best healthcare system (pre-obamacare) in the world.

The difference between you and me is I do not believe it is governments job to solve all my problems. Its my responsibility. Whatever the government gets involved in costs way to much money.

Obamacare is nothing but a pretense of insurance that leaves people struggling anyway.

You see this is where I fundamentally disagree: there's a lot of rhetoric on these boards about the need to be a country with Christian values. Well, a country with Christian values looks after its own and doesn't just say to people "Yah boo sucks, stand on your own two feet!" The reason I like paying taxes into a system that helps other people to get well is that it's good to help people; I don't think Jesus wants me.to be a selfish git. But even the selfish part of me recognises that it's good for me to be a part of a society where all have healthcare regardless of their means, as an employer that my workers don't have too many sickies, etc. The British Welfare State wasn't wholly founded in a fit of socialist altruism after WWII: it actually began much earlier than that after another war by Conservative and the Liberal governments for much more self-centred reasons* - during the Boer War, many poor army recruits were too medically unfit to fight effectively so the ruling classes decided that Something Had to be Done; this, combined also with their fear of the proles and peasants revolting led to the introduction of old age pensions (Social Security) in 1908 and other welfare provisions for the alleviation of poverty and the bettering of public health.

*At best, enlightened self-interest and a sense of 'noblesse oblige'.

 

[David Kent]

At our senlors lunch yesterday, a 90 year old lady had a fall and the ambulance was called as she was bleeding profusely from the head. She was taken to hospital in Margate and one of our lady members followed in the car. The lady was treated in hospital and released at about 10.00pm. Our lady member took her to her home as she was not allowed to go to her own home and she has no family in this country. If our member had not taken her home she would have had to stay in the hospital and would then be 'bed blocking' which is one reason we have delays in our hospitals.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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