Socialist paradise: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries

[InTheLight]

Time and time again I've provided proof. The answer is the tax revision bill.

Tax Plan’s Biggest Cuts Could Be in Living Standards

The Joint Committee’s analysis of an early version of the Senate Republican plan found that 10 years from now, millionaires would get a tax cut worth $8,500, on average. People earning $75,000 or less, by contrast, would experience a tax increase.

This is not showing that the rich are taking money from the poor and middle class, this is showing that in 10 years millionaires that run S-Corporations will continue to be able to keep some of their own business generated money. In ten years the income tax cuts will sunset, which would restore tax rates to 2017 levels, but corporate tax cuts continue. At that time Congress can choose to extend the income tax cuts or let them expire. The last time this happened, the Dem-controlled Congress and Obama extended the cuts.

There is no take from the middle class and give to the rich going on here.

Adding in the cuts to Social Security, Medicaid, education and other programs that Republicans are planning to cull to pay for the tax reductions, the cost to poor and middle-income families would be even greater.

Whoa! That's quite the question begging. Glibly saying, "Adding in the cuts to Social Security, Medicaid, etc." does not make it so. Besides you've already posted an article from AARP saying both Ryan and McConnell are not planning any cuts in these programs. Have you forgotten that you posted that so soon afterwards? It was only ten days ago:
Automatic Medicare and Medicaid Cuts under Paygo averted under Temporary Funding Deal

 

[David Kent]

I don't know how UK finances roads.

Mostly in local taxes. Motorways, and some other main roads are, I believe paid by national taxes. Some briges and tunnels are paid by tolls.

Before about 1800 outside towns and cities there were very few roads apart from tracks and green lanes. We still have some unmade roads in towns. When roads began to be made up from about 1800-1820, many were toll roads. There is still a place about ½mile from here called The Tollgate and the old toll cottage is still there.
I found online an old map of the Elephant and Castle in South East London. There were multiple tollgates and turnpikes in the area.

 

[David Kent]

es for certain types of immigration to lower the costs of labor and to vote reliably for the big government agenda. As for Branson, I know him mostly for his friendship with Obama and his ownership of Virgin Mobile cell phone service, which is good. The big problem with socialized medicine is that costs are very high and results are very low. Our Veterans Hospitals are a disgrace of filth and laziness.

I used to work in a London Newspaper when Branson was first starting up with his Virgin Record stores. He was regularly on our bad debt list for not paying the bills for his advertising.

 

[David Kent]

The logically fallacy of your point is the title of this thread.

We don't wait, as many others have pointed out above, for what you have had to postpone for lack of money. Granted, our system is being funded by a 20 trillion dollar national debt, which may be worthless, but for the time being, we get what we need very rapidly. Your system, on the other hand, has been rationed for a long time. We constantly read reports that dialysis is not given to a patient over fifty or something. The poor are always going to suffer at the hands of the government, but our doctors are still revered in that we want them to earn good money and not be poverty-stricken. We have a taste of your system in our disgraceful filthy Veterans Hospitals where our best die in the corridors waiting for a lazy doctor.

Don't believe all you read in newspapers, I know I have worked in them.

 

[thatbrian]

Our Republican majority says let them die.

We say of the able-bodied: Let the work.

***You might want to tone down the rhetoric.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You keep repeating how well you are doing--I'm glad. I am as poor as a church mouse. Obama made things even worse. Things were a little better for the poor under Reagan--we got jobs after the Carter recession. Now with the stock market up so high, maybe some of it will trickle down on us church mice.

Well do I say how well I'm doing? I'm not rich at all. And I depend on Medicare for health insurance as does my brother who is borderline getting by after pastoring a poor church. We also depend on Social Security. That's one reason why I'm so much against the GOP who is trying to take both of them away from us as well as millions of other Americans. If you're poor how can you not understand the plight of the poor and needy in America?

 

[FollowTheWay]

This is not showing that the rich are taking money from the poor and middle class, this is showing that in 10 years millionaires that run S-Corporations will continue to be able to keep some of their own business generated money. In ten years the income tax cuts will sunset, which would restore tax rates to 2017 levels, but corporate tax cuts continue. At that time Congress can choose to extend the income tax cuts or let them expire. The last time this happened, the Dem-controlled Congress and Obama extended the cuts.

There is no take from the middle class and give to the rich going on here.



Whoa! That's quite the question begging. Glibly saying, "Adding in the cuts to Social Security, Medicaid, etc." does not make it so. Besides you've already posted an article from AARP saying both Ryan and McConnell are not planning any cuts in these programs. Have you forgotten that you posted that so soon afterwards? It was only ten days ago:
Automatic Medicare and Medicaid Cuts under Paygo averted under Temporary Funding Deal

I've provided the proof that this is happening before. I get tired of repeating myself. It's my argument that extreme inequality exists in America.

 

[FollowTheWay]

We say of the able-bodied: Let the work.

***You might want to tone down the rhetoric.

The GOP wants to cut Medicare and Medicaid. Just about everyone who retires today is put on Medicare because the corporations have dramatically cut back on retirement benefits. 40% of Medicaid funding goes to seniors in retirement homes. Fully 60% of those in retirement depend on Medicaid to be able to stay. We already have the worst healthcare system of any developed country. So you want to make it worse? You want to take away medical care from the retired people and kick senioprs out of retirement homes out onto the streets? All this so we can pour more money down the black hole that is the pentagon and make the rich richer? I have a different idea of what it means to live out my faith than you do.

 

[InTheLight]

The GOP wants to cut Medicare and Medicaid.

From the article you posted:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said this week that the Senate is unlikely to tackle Medicare and Social Security in 2018.

House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has also ruled out 2018 Medicare cuts.

So you can quit posting SNIP how the GOP is going to cut Medicare, cut Medicaid, and kill Grandma and other nursing home residents to pay for the tax cuts.



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[InTheLight]

I've provided the proof that this is happening before. I get tired of repeating myself. It's my argument that extreme inequality exists in America.

You have said there is growing income inequality. No one argues against that. But you have never provided proof that income inequality is caused by wealth transfer.

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[thatbrian]

The GOP wants to cut Medicare and Medicaid. Just about everyone who retires today is put on Medicare because the corporations have dramatically cut back on retirement benefits. 40% of Medicaid funding goes to seniors in retirement homes. Fully 60% of those in retirement depend on Medicaid to be able to stay. We already have the worst healthcare system of any developed country. So you want to make it worse? You want to take away medical care from the retired people and kick senioprs out of retirement homes out onto the streets? All this so we can pour more money down the black hole that is the pentagon and make the rich richer? I have a different idea of what it means to live out my faith than you do.

Do you want something? Buy it. I love this country.

 

[777]

Glad to see Americans liking the American system and Brits liking the UK system but it could be familiarity = complacency, you like best what you know.

Don't forget, the UK has a huge VAT tax that's back up to twenty percent, at least they exempt food from it, or used to.

I have just had an operation appointment for later this month.

Why wasn't yours cancelled or postponed? Is it essential, or are you using private insurance for it this time?

How does the NHS figure to delay exactly fifty thousand surgeries? BTW, the flu in the US is killer here, too,

 

[carpro]

your words not mine.

45% of what?

HankD

Ask about the value added tax? Seems like the Brits never want to talk about it when they talk about tax rates.

 

[Matt Black]

The original point related to paycheck deductions ie income tax. The top rate of income tax here is 45% for those earning over around £150k pa, not 80% for everyone as Hank's post stated

 

[thatbrian]

Ask about the value added tax? Seems like the Brits never want to talk about it when they talk about tax rates.

Ask them about how much they pay for "petrol".

 

[church mouse guy]

Dem talking point bovine skubulon.



Do you know the difference between capital gains taxes and income taxes? Do you know why capital gains taxes are so much lower? (Hint: It isn't some shadowy conspiracy by the evil rich people.)

Everyone knew except Warren Buffett who is older than dirt.

 

[thatbrian]

 

[FollowTheWay]

From the article you posted:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said this week that the Senate is unlikely to tackle Medicare and Social Security in 2018.

House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has also ruled out 2018 Medicare cuts.

So you can quit posting your tired lie about how the GOP is going to cut Medicare, cut Medicaid, and kill Grandma and other nursing home residents to pay for the tax cuts.



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McConnell and Ryan have said a lot of things. That doesn't make them true. McConnell told the people of KY he was going to repeal Obamacare but they could keep their KyNet (KY term for Obamacare).

 

[FollowTheWay]

You have said there is growing income inequality. No one argues against that. But you have never provided proof that income inequality is caused by wealth transfer.

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Salaries of most Americans have remained mostly constant since Reagan while the wealth of the 0.1% has tripled. That is called wealth transfer. How do you think we became so unequal? Look at the bottom line representing the wealthy. It began to go up in about 1980. We're now as unequal as England in Victorian times (Scrooge) and the U.S. in the roaring '20s. Both times preceded a great depression.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Do you want something? Buy it. I love this country.

I love what we used to be and could be again, a country for the people and by the people. Now we're for the rich and large corporations and by the rich and large corporations and going down.