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Some census thoughts...

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rbell

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Here's what I've chosen to not answer:
  • All questions pertaining to race. (#7 and #8).
  • For my kids...I'm putting first initial and last name...as well as birth year.
  • Admittedly, I've struggled with question #3. Not sure why they need this info. We'll see what I do with it.
  • Of course, I'm not answering anything fraudulently. In my opinion (and I think the law backs me up), I'm fulfilling my obligation--I'm helping my government get an accurate count.
If a worker comes to see me, or calls me...
  • They'll get polite responses.
  • But...they'll get the responses I've already given.
  • I will record the conversation/visit.
  • Just for fun, I might talk in a different dialect, or use what little Spanish, German, or Czech I know, just to throw them off. (OK, not really...but wouldn't that be fun?)
I made copies of my form, since I left some blanks.

Finally...have ya'll noticed that NOWHERE ON THE CENSUS FORM--NOWHERE--DOES IT ASK IF THE PEOPLE COUNTED ARE CITIZENS??? What a crock. We're counting illegals, just like they're US citizens.

Why am I not surprised? Just another vote-buying scheme. If the R's were in power, they'd be buying; but this time, it appears the D's will do the purchasing.
 
padredurand

padredurand

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Why not just answer the 10 questions openly and honest? It is the census for Pete's sake. There isn't a single question in the census that could not be answered by independent sources. So ask yourself a question: What is more intrusive? Answering ten questions on a form or having folks prowl through my kids school records, check cell phone records, dig through my garbage, etc, etc.
 
menageriekeeper

menageriekeeper

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Yes, definately be nice to the census worker. It might just be me!!

I wasn't able to turn down $11.75 an hour for 8 weeks of work in light of the housing bill I have to pay for DD's college this fall. The fact that I can fit this in between homeschooling makes it the perfect chance to earn a little extra while not interfering in the home life.

Plus, I have a rolling pin and black belt. You better be nice to me!! :D
 
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rbell

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padredurand said:
Why not just answer the 10 questions openly and honest? It is the census for Pete's sake. There isn't a single question in the census that could not be answered by independent sources. So ask yourself a question: What is more intrusive? Answering ten questions on a form or having folks prowl through my kids school records, check cell phone records, dig through my garbage, etc, etc.
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Because they are using my answers to buy votes, and I object to such. I only speak for me. If others wish to answer, by all means, do so.

And if I see folks digging through my personal belongings...we have a "hole nother" issue... :D

Furthermore...that line of reasoning could be used for the "American Community Survey," which is the more intrusive questionnaire.

They ask stuff like:
  • How much are your utility bills?
  • What do you owe on your property?
  • Do you have any emotional difficulties?
  • Did you miss any days of work last week? How many?
  • What do you do at your job? How much do you make?
  • What would you be willing to sell your property for?
  • What is your disability rating?
  • Tell us all addresses of everywhere that has paid you, any amount, in the last week/4 weeks/12 months.
  • What time do you leave every day to go to work?
  • How long does it take you to get there?
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/ACS-1(info)(2010) Stateside English_web.pdf

The American Community Survey is a separate part of the 2010 Census program. Some households and group quarters (such as college residence halls, skilled nursing facilities, group homes, barracks, and correctional facilities) will receive both the American Community Survey and the 2010 Census this year. Response to both is required by law.
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So you see, padredurand, I feel we have to be constantly on guard, lest the camel get his nose completely under the tent...and I lose the right to say to an intrusive government entity, "Sir, that's not any of your business."

I don't expect folks to agree with me...but I am quite comfortable (both ethically and politically) with my position.
 
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rbell

Active Member
menageriekeeper said:
Yes, definately be nice to the census worker. It might just be me!!

I wasn't able to turn down $11.75 an hour for 8 weeks of work in light of the housing bill I have to pay for DD's college this fall. The fact that I can fit this in between homeschooling makes it the perfect chance to earn a little extra while not interfering in the home life.

Plus, I have a rolling pin and black belt. You better be nice to me!! :D
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As I said to Paul earlier...I don't begrudge anyone working at collecting info.

And it would be foolish (not to mention a poor witness) for me to be anything other than kind or respectful to a census worker. One...they're just doing their job. Two...they didn't make the policy. Three...we're called on to be a witness for Christ (should've put that first!).

Having said that...if I choose not to answer something, I won't. And although I'm sure that most workers are super folks, there are others I might not trust, so I'll record any conversation we have.
 
preachinjesus

preachinjesus

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It's the one constitutional obligation that you have. How in the world can you hold to a strict read of the Constitution and act like this?

Just because you don't care for the man in the Oval Office? Or the people running Congress?

Great gravy man, they aren't asking for secret data...in fact most of it could be figured out by a 5th grader with a questionnaire. Besides most of this is online somewhere...
 
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JohnDeereFan

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padredurand said:
Why not just answer the 10 questions openly and honest? It is the census for Pete's sake.
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Because several of the questions are intrusive and Unconstitutional.

There isn't a single question in the census that could not be answered by independent sources.
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Then why bother us?

So ask yourself a question: What is more intrusive? Answering ten questions on a form or having folks prowl through my kids school records, check cell phone records, dig through my garbage, etc, etc.
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Kids are homeschooled, cell phones rarely if ever used, and most garbage is burned.
 
Salty

Salty

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JohnDeereFan said:
Because several of the questions are intrusive and Unconstitutional.


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Where does the Constitution prohibit the asking of the questions on the census.

Make sure you have the correct usage and definition of the word unconstitutional.

When you give me a valid answer, I will redo my census form. (I haven't sent it in yet)
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windcatcher

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The Cesus will get the number of people living here and that's it.

I want to know the law that compells me to answer the American Survey, when I get one:
It's been years since I've had one... and the next one ..... I'll be more informed before I make a choice to answer it.

But, imo, all the questions that it asks, based upon my recall, should be of no interest to the Federal government (which is supposed to be limited in jurisdiction to that area of the District of Columbia). It might be of interest to local officials in my county related to LEO, and Tax Assessor/Collector and the Commisioners and School Board. So why must I answer to a Washington Beauracracy?
 
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Robert Snow

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windcatcher said:
The Cesus will get the number of people living here and that's it.

I want to know the law that compells me to answer the American Survey, when I get one:
It's been years since I've had one... and the next one ..... I'll be more informed before I make a choice to answer it.

But, imo, all the questions that it asks, based upon my recall, should be of no interest to the Federal government (which is supposed to be limited in jurisdiction to that area of the District of Columbia). It might be of interest to local officials in my county related to LEO, and Tax Assessor/Collector and the Commisioners and School Board. So why must I answer to a Washington Beauracracy?
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I thought you believed in obeying the Constitution? The Census is in there you know. I guess you only say you obey the law. What hypocrisy!
 
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FR7 Baptist

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menageriekeeper said:
Yes, definately be nice to the census worker. It might just be me!!

I wasn't able to turn down $11.75 an hour for 8 weeks of work in light of the housing bill I have to pay for DD's college this fall. The fact that I can fit this in between homeschooling makes it the perfect chance to earn a little extra while not interfering in the home life.

Plus, I have a rolling pin and black belt. You better be nice to me!! :D
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Cool! It's $15/hr here, but it's based on cost of living for where you live.
 
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annsni

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Let's take a look at the 14th amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


OK - Nope - don't see any violation of this anywhere regarding the census questions.
 
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JohnDeereFan

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annsni said:
Let's take a look at the 14th amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


OK - Nope - don't see any violation of this anywhere regarding the census questions.
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Could you please show us where in the Fourteenth Amendment we're told that the government has the authority to use the census to ask us questions about our mortagages?
 
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