Some Reluctant to Participate in Day Without Immigrants Boycott

[Daisy]

Originally posted by donnA:
You would support the committing of a crime? It isn't called 'illegal' for nothing. And no one has the right to walk off the job unless they want that job put in jeopardy, and protesting against keeping laws would put a job in jeopardy in my book.

I said if I employed them - but I don't. Yes, not showing up puts a job in jeopardy, but that doesn't mean that you as the employer are required to fire them.

Having laws has nothing to do with treating people humanly.

Humanely, not humanly. Two entirely different things, lol.

[ May 02, 2006, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Daisy ]

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by mnw:
God gave us governments and we have to respect that to a degree.

We threw off the government that God gave us and formed our own here in the US.

Also, We can't help EVERY needy one that comes to us.

Have we ever tried?

Charity, outside of the church, must happen in a logical and ordered manner or the aid will soon run out and the end situation will be worse than the beginning.

Or it can be haphazard and arbitrary according to our interests rather than their need. Worse off for whom?

 

[mnw]

Okay Daisy, you try feeding, clothing and housing every needy person you come across and see how long it is before you are the one needing charity.

We threw off the government that God gave us and formed our own here in the US.

And look at the mess you are in now. At least Britain was around for a 1000 years before we got into the mess we're in. You've only been around a few hundred years. I fully support the movement to revoke the Declaration of Independence and bring "ya'll" back into the empire of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

On a serious note, I did say repsect governments to a degree...

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

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Britain is in better "shape" than the US?????

 

[mnw]

I didn't say Britain was in better shape than the US. Though I believe it is, but that's for another forum.

 

[donnA]

Isn't that funny, from a country with dying churches.

 

[mnw]

Ha, ha, yeah, so funny.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Wow. Donna, I don't get that comment, at all.

 

[mnw]

Bro. Curtis, it must be said I kind of initiated the "My country's better than your country", though I was half-joking.

My apologies for the provocation.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Rocko9:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:


I employed a large number of Mexicans through a temp agency at my previous employer. They cost $2 less per hour than black or white American temps... and literally did twice the work with a fraction of the errors or attitude.

Why weren't they paid more? Why weren't they paid twice as much? </font>[/QUOTE] The excuse was usually that they didn't speak English. The reality is because they'd work for that amount so the company could get away with paying them less for more. Basically the same ideal we obey every time we buy something. Everyone is always looking to get more for less... That's even Walmart's slogan isn't it?

This is another problem that takes place when employers knowingly hire Mexicans knowing that there is a good possibility that they may be illegals.
This is about greed, pure and simple greed.

Is it about greed when you go to Walmart or some other discount grocery place to buy a cart of groceries for $100 that would cost $150 at the corner market? Is it about greed when you and I complain about gas prices?

The company in question did millions in business with Walmart... Walmart's lower prices for printed materials due to the lower labor costs of this company and others like them contributes to those low prices you(or the average American consumer if you are engaged in some type of Walmart boycott) and I pay at the check out.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Amen. Not only greed, but breaking the law. Did you pay payroll taxes or did these temps have withholding taken from their wages?

We paid a temp agency that was required to show some form of proof that they were properly withholding taxes et al. I cannot tell you how hard they worked to confirm the documentation presented to them.

BTW, how is that company's desire to get labor at a reasonable rate more greedy than your desire to buy gas at a reasonable rate?

[ May 02, 2006, 02:23 PM: Message edited by: Scott J ]

 

[rbell]

I've always wondered...how can you pay taxes on illegals?

Isn't a valid SSN required? I've never understood how that process works...I've noticed a lot of the protesters carrying "we pay taxes too!" signs.

That may be a dangerous question...tax law, ewwww. If any of you feel it could cause terminal boredom, ignore my question.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Daisy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by donnA:
You would support the committing of a crime? It isn't called 'illegal' for nothing. And no one has the right to walk off the job unless they want that job put in jeopardy, and protesting against keeping laws would put a job in jeopardy in my book.

I said if I employed them - but I don't. Yes, not showing up puts a job in jeopardy, but that doesn't mean that you as the employer are required to fire them.</font>[/QUOTE] Depends on the published attendance policy. An employer may very well be required to fire someone or else risk a lawsuit over policy enforcement in the future.

 

[Rocko9]

Originally posted by Scott J:


I employed a large number of Mexicans through a temp agency at my previous employer. They cost $2 less per hour than black or white American temps... and literally did twice the work with a fraction of the errors or attitude.

Why would you want to do business with a Temp agency that openly discriminates?

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by rbell:
I've always wondered...how can you pay taxes on illegals?

Isn't a valid SSN required? I've never understood how that process works...I've noticed a lot of the protesters carrying "we pay taxes too!" signs.

That may be a dangerous question...tax law, ewwww. If any of you feel it could cause terminal boredom, ignore my question.

Falsified documents.

Some documents could be legit but passed from one person to another as they go in and out of the country. IOW's, Jose Chavez may have been legal. He goes home. His brother Hector Chavez comes back... with Jose's documents.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Rocko9:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:


I employed a large number of Mexicans through a temp agency at my previous employer. They cost $2 less per hour than black or white American temps... and literally did twice the work with a fraction of the errors or attitude.

Why would you want to do business with a Temp agency that openly discriminates? </font>[/QUOTE]No one forced the Mexicans to work for less. They did so willingly. Americans wouldn't show up faithfully even for more money.

Neither I nor the temp agency have any obligation to pay someone more than what they are willing to work for. Everyone discriminates and not all discrimination is bad.

Note that Jesus used this very idea in the parable concerning the workers who agreed to work for a penny. It is completely legitimate to enter into an agreement with someone with a given set of conditions even if someone else can negotiate a better deal with you.

From my perspective, these were superior workers, virtually self-supervising with regard to discipline issues, and good people. From the market's perspective, being American and speaking English were more valuable.

FTR, we had a group of 15-20 who had basically worked there full time for 2-4 years prior to my taking over. I was pushed my employer into agreeing to pay more for them so the temp agency could give them a $.50 to $1.00 raise... which still left them at the minus $2 I mentioned before.

[ May 02, 2006, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: Scott J ]

 

[mnw]

It gets me when I hear that immigrants are better workers than nationals. Som eeven talk like illegal immirgrants are the best workers.

I was a manager of various departments in a supermarket. I had departments ranging from 5 staff to 200 to look after and employed immigrants, nationals, men, women etc...

Whether or not you are illegal or legal or national or whatever makes no difference. In all groups you have hard workers and lazy good for nothings.

 

[Rocko9]

So the blame goes back to the hard working Mexicans, it's thier fault for allowing themselves to be paid less than the White temp or the Black temp. Temp agencies don't always attract the cream of the crop but they do provide a convienant way for companies to insulate themselves from moral obligations.

mnw, you are right in saying "all groups you have hard workers and lazy good for nothings."
From my expierience , I have seen it go both ways.

 

[tamborine lady]

This was an e-mail I received a few weeks ago. Just thought I'd pass it on.

If you are ready for the adventure of a lifetime, TRY THIS:

Enter Mexico illegally. Never mind immigration quotas, visas, international law, or any of that nonsense.

Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care for you and your entire family.

Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.

Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc. Procreate abundantly.

Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural U.S.A.thing . You would not understand, pal."

Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old Glory from your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window or on your car bumper.

Speak only English at home and in public and insist that your children do likewise.

Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican school system.

Demand a local Mexican driver license. This will afford other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your unauthorized, illegal, presence in Mexico

Drive around with no liability insurance and ignore local traffic laws.

Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English to all its officers.

Good luck! You'll be demanding for the rest of time or soon be dead. Because it will never happen It will not happen in Mexico or any other country in the world except right here in the United States, Land of the naive and stupid, idiotic politically correct politicians

Peace,

Tam

 

[Rocko9]

Tam,
I have heard a variation on that on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
I don't expect fairness from Mexico but I don't understand how Illegal/Legal aliens can be so demanding about having special rights and still at the same time hold on to thier allegiance to Mexico. As the old saying goes,"Don't bite the hand that feeds you."By there presence here whether it is legal or not they have been provided with a means and a way of life that is better than Mexicos'.