Why?!?! Because he has facial hair? Because he plays the guitar?
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Songs and Christian Liberty
- Thread starter JonC
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No I didn't.
I used you and others as verifications of my claim that dome believed praise music was identical to secular music, or was demonic, or is rejected by God.
Too often members start strawman threads (like "dome members reject that Jesus had to die").
When we make a claim we need to offer evidence the claim is legitimate.
It is not offensive because you did say that praise music sounds just like secular music. It was claimed that all music accompanied by instruments (whether hymns or CWM) is satanic. Charlie did state that God rejects the worship of brethren who use praise music.
The purpose of that thread was simply to provide examples of the music that was being discussed.
Rebellion is written all over it. It's fake worship, there is no separation from the world in it, it is the ways of the world trying mix with the ways of the Lord and it is rejected.
I don't mean to press you, but how can you tell he is fake? How is he displaying worldliness?
I know...
But I had another agenda. I was kinda using this thread to collect worship songs in one place.
I was hoping that others who use praise music would offer their favorites.
I Will Rise is a good one.
I am building a Playlist on YouTube music to listen to at work.
Ben1445
Well-Known Member
I rest my case.
No, you're e not pressing me, Scarlett. You can speak freely with me, that's no problem.
If the outward appearance is rebellion in symbol, what is truly in the heart?
I had to tag you (either my referencing your name or by each quote) to reference you.
Otherwise it would just be an unsubstantiated claim.
That worldly appearance and rebellion is the ruin of the Church.
Thank God there are still come Godly Churches left that will not allow that mockery to take place in the worship of our Lord.
Ascetic X
Active Member
Blasphemy? Amazing Grace lyrics are not blasphemy. This rendition by Eternal Worship is, in my opinion, very gentle, respectful, reverent, and devout.
This reminds me of a new members class at a local Calvary Baptist church, where the class syllabus contained only one page devoted to the new birth, and 8 pages about “music pastor approves of”. Some pastors focus too much on relatively trivial surface issues and ought to examine themselves for vain spiritual pride and self-righteous ego tripping.
Paul said: “I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.”
To declare music blasphemous just because it uses musical instruments similar to King David’s in Psalms (Hebrew word toph, frame drum), or because the singer has facial hair, seems rather like the smug, sanctimonious attitude of a a pompous, self-righteous Pharisee — and I trust that you do not intend to be perceived in this way.
One could say they personally don’t like a certain type of music, or they prefer a different type of music when used in a church or played on Christian radio.
I myself when attending church services dress in sport coat and tie, prefer hymns, and am clean shaven, with short hair on my head. But this doesn’t make me spiritually superior to those who like contemporary worship music, dress more casually, or have different grooming habits.
To harshly judge in this superficial, cruel, and unbiblical manner cannot be pleasing to our Lord Jesus.
The situation of music is similar to the issue of proper food and observed days.
Romans 14:3-6
3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
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A suit and tie is worldly- it has been the worldly symbol of secular power and success for a few centuries.
If the singer were wearing a suit and tie would you condemn him for his dress?
I grew up in a day when if men did not wear suits to church and women did not wear dresses, they would probably be kicked out of church. Literally.
I guess I didn't see any rebellion in his appearance. I know there can be rebellion in appearance, but that, to me, isn't it.
People get caught up in their traditions, their preferences. I retired from the Army after 23 years. Then I worked as a special investigator for several years. Now I am in the nuclear field. I am used to being clean shaven.
But on that video we see a snapshot of a younger generation. My son has never owned a suit....or a sports coat. One year he borrowed mine as a costume for a youth gathering at church. He dressed as an old man. Boy did that made me feel good.
But you are right. It is wrong to judge others for how they dress. That type of prejudice has no place in the heart of a believer.
Ok, we see it differently.
In my Church that appearance with the t-shirts, head bands, the general appearance of the world would be allowed in Church services.
But with some strong preaching on respect toward the Lord. No way would that look make it to the platform to perform.
We've had it happen before and the preacher asked the congregation if they were to go their son/daughter's wedding, would they wear jeans and a t-shirt? How much more respect does our Savior deserve?
We will just have to disagree, but agreeably.
Ascetic X
Active Member
@Charlie24 - If a guy came to your church, who was recently saved, and had face tattoos, piercings, facial hair, and a bun hair style, would he be allowed to get up on the church stage and give his salvation testimony?
Or would he have to “clean himself up” first?
Many of the vile visitors to Jeffrey Epstein’s island of debauchery often dressed in suits and ties, no tattoos or piercings, and were clean shaven. But they were extremely rebellious and blasphemous against our holy Lord and Savior.
A person’s appearance or taste in music does not prove the spiritual condition of their heart.
I Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not judge anything before the time, until the Lord shall have come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the motives of the hearts; and then the praise will come to each from God.
Or would he have to “clean himself up” first?
Many of the vile visitors to Jeffrey Epstein’s island of debauchery often dressed in suits and ties, no tattoos or piercings, and were clean shaven. But they were extremely rebellious and blasphemous against our holy Lord and Savior.
A person’s appearance or taste in music does not prove the spiritual condition of their heart.
I Corinthians 4:5
Therefore do not judge anything before the time, until the Lord shall have come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the motives of the hearts; and then the praise will come to each from God.