Sorry, but the LORD does not change!

[12strings]

Once these are sincerely repented of, 99% sure the person will now be healed.

What about the other 1 %?

Another hindrance is if many people involved (standing around) have a ton of UNBELIEF!

So you're saying a person may truly believe and have faith to be healed, not be harboring unforgiveness, or involved in the occult, but NOT be healed because some people standing around don't believe???

I thought the whole premise of this thread was that signs were supposed to cause people to believe?

 

[evangelist-7]

What about the other 1 %?

So you're saying a person may truly believe and have faith to be healed, not be harboring unforgiveness,
or involved in the occult, but NOT be healed because some people standing around don't believe???

I thought the whole premise of this thread was that signs were supposed to cause people to believe?

Thanks, I knew you'd ask about the 1% ... not much of anything is 100% for sure.

I'ze sayin' that if the person and 10 others hangin' 'round are in total UNBELIEF,
it just ain't happening ... unless God has some super reason for doing it.

I tawt I taw a puddy cat ...
Thanks, da thread's been reversed into ... "Believe, then you get your miracle!", which is about it.

'Tis an awful shame that you have so much UNBELIEF!
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[Yeshua1]

Yes, 1800 years is more accurate.
Yes, Azuza was one of the beginnings of the 2nd fulfillment of Joel's prophecy.
Since both fulfil the prophecy, why shouldn't we call it a double prophecy?
The Lord kills multiple birds with one stone a lot in Scripture.
.

So Jesus lied, when he told us that not even the gates of hell could stop his true church? that God allowed satan to be in charge distorting truths and denying the "full Gospel" from his people those 1800 yeras?

So jesus lied, again, when he told his disciples to rejoice NOT in signs/wonders, but that their names were written down in book of life?

Do you claim to know things/correct jesus himself?

 

[Yeshua1]

If you don't accept what Jesus said in my 2 passages, so be it.

From my experience ... if a person is not healed, it's usually because the person:
-- was and/or is involved in the occult
-- has now unforgiveness towards someone
Once these are sincerely repented of, 99% sure the person will now be healed.

Another hindrance is if many people involved (standing around) have a ton of UNBELIEF!
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How come you ignored the true answer why some are healed. mostare not?

Its called the SOVEREIGNTY of god, and it is NOT His will that all be healed in this life, but that ALL be confirmed into the image of christ, and sometimes trials and sufferings mold us into that better!

Do you hold that all christians have a right to divine health and wealth, JUST to the same degree as salvation, to having our sins forgiven then?

 

[Alcott]

From my experience ... if a person is not healed, it's usually because the person:
-- was and/or is involved in the occult
-- has now unforgiveness towards someone
Once these are sincerely repented of, 99% sure the person will now be healed.

Another hindrance is if many people involved (standing around) have a ton of UNBELIEF!.

Have you seen someone with a missing arm or leg grow another one?

 

[Yeshua1]

Have you seen someone with a missing arm or leg grow another one?

even that would not prove anything, for jesus said satan can do signs/wonders in end times that if were possible, deceive the elect!

even if there were 'miracles", the basic theology/doctrines are still faulty!

 

[evangelist-7]

So Jesus lied, when he told us that not even the gates of hell could stop his true church? that God allowed satan to be in charge distorting truths and denying the "full Gospel" from his people those 1800 yeras?
So jesus lied, again, when he told his disciples to rejoice NOT in signs/wonders, but that their names were written down in book of life? Do you claim to know things/correct jesus himself?

Did Jesus say His TRUE church?
Did Jesus say His ORIGINAL church?
Actually, this church would not be formed for some time (after Pentecost).

News Flashes! ... 2 for the price of one:

Jesus' church has prevailed.
But it has changed from how it functioned in the NT.
Lots of doctrines have changed in da EOC and da RCC.

Jesus' word has prevailed.

No more free info for today ...
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[Yeshua1]

Did Jesus say His TRUE church?
Did Jesus say His ORIGINAL church?
Actually, this church would not be formed for some time (after Pentecost).

News Flashes! ... 2 for the price of one:

Jesus' church has prevailed.
But it has changed from how it functioned in the NT.
Lots of doctrines have changed in da EOC and da RCC.

Jesus' word has prevailed.

No more free info for today ...
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the Apostolic period is when God confirmed the message of Jesus as messiah thru signs/wonders/miracles, and the Holy Spirit spoke thru Apsotles/prophets with instruction/teaching for early church in acts, but we have the more sure word of the bible now, so no need for that!

the bible does NOT predict the Sprit will grant back the Apostles/prophets and signs/wonders in last days, DOES predict that lying signs and wonders done by satan will be manifested..

So how can you claim God revived the Church by azuza and charasmatic movement, when the scripturessay that a delusion willcome to the earth by such in end days?

Do you hold to Apostles/prophets are now in the Church from God?
Hold to ongoing reveltion from them to the church now?

What basis do you use to judge if that be from God or satan?

 

[evangelist-7]

the Apostolic period is when God confirmed the message of Jesus as messiah thru signs/wonders/miracles

the bible does NOT predict the Sprit will grant back the Apostles/prophets and signs/wonders in last days,
DOES predict that lying signs and wonders done by satan will be manifested.

So how can you claim God revived the Church by azuza and charasmatic movement,
when the scriptures say that a delusion will come to the earth by such in end days?

Do you hold to Apostles/prophets are now in the Church from God?
Hold to ongoing reveltion from them to the church now?
What basis do you use to judge if that be from God or satan?

The incredible SWM were, and are, and will be, about proving BOTH
Jesus was the Messiah! and Jesus' gospel was true!
See the Scriptures in the OP.

The Bible doesn't predict most things about the end times.
It's natural to assume that things would carry on as they were,
except for the warning about Satan and his demons attacking the word and the churches!
Don't you think the Lord 100% protected His early church (like a baby) until it got going?
No, that would take a little common sense.

Joel 2 sure fits perfectly with the beginning (1905) of the last days.

The delusion (2 Thes 2:11) has to do with the antichrist, who still hasn't been revealed?

Re: God-anointed apostles ... semantics? ... plenty of men all over the world setting up churches
Re: God-anointed prophets ... plenty of those all over the world

My question to you continues ...
How could anyone like you have been in Pentecostal leadership?
"For as many as are being LED by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)

I actually have to believe that ...
You were being led/deceived by Satan, and then God told you that this was all a pile of BS ... Get out!
The reason being ... you were specially called out to be part of the truth, and to be really used of God.
IMO, He saw your heart and wanted something better for you.
But, first you need to be delivered from deceiving spirits who are blinding and confusing you.

Of course, that's the case with multitudes of believers, who just can't grasp:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19)
“the god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4)
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31)
“there is no truth in him ... he is liar and the father of it” (John 8:44)
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8)
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[Yeshua1]

The incredible SWM were, and are, and will be, about proving BOTH
Jesus was the Messiah! and Jesus' gospel was true!
See the Scriptures in the OP.

The Bible doesn't predict most things about the end times.
It's natural to assume that things would carry on as they were,
except for the warning about Satan and his demons attacking the word and the churches!
Don't you think the Lord 100% protected His early church (like a baby) until it got going?
No, that would take a little common sense.

Joel 2 sure fits perfectly with the beginning (1905) of the last days.

The delusion (2 Thes 2:11) has to do with the antichrist, who still hasn't been revealed?

Re: God-anointed apostles ... semantics? ... plenty of men all over the world setting up churches
Re: God-anointed prophets ... plenty of those all over the world

My question to you continues ...
How could anyone like you have been in Pentecostal leadership?
"For as many as are being LED by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14)

I actually have to believe that ...
You were being led/deceived by Satan, and then God told you that this was all a pile of BS ... Get out!
The reason being ... you were specially called out to be part of the truth, and to be really used of God.
IMO, He saw your heart and wanted something better for you.
But, first you need to be delivered from deceiving spirits who are blinding and confusing you.

Of course, that's the case with multitudes of believers, who just can't grasp:
“the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world” (Revelation 12:9)
“the whole world lies in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19)
“the god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4)
“the ruler of this world” (John 12:31)
“there is no truth in him ... he is liar and the father of it” (John 8:44)
“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1 Peter 5:8)
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what is known for sure is that satan is a deceiving foe, and that MOST of what you are claiming cannot be proven by the scriptures when interpreted into their proper contex/setting/grammar etc, so would say that your advice to me would better work upon yourself!

You have been shown over again by myself, DHK and others that you are wrongly viewing this, and I believe the Lord redeemed me out from those circles in order to be able to help others discern the true from the false!

paul said that the "full gospel" was that jesus was born/died/and rose again, and whosoever puts their faith in him has eternal life!

I trust the words of an inspired Apostle over yours!

 

[DHK]

I actually have to believe that ...
You were being led/deceived by Satan, and then God told you that this was all a pile of BS ... Get out!...
But, first you need to be delivered from deceiving spirits who are blinding and confusing you.
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Any person who claims to be either "Spirit-filled" or "filled with the Holy Spirit" or have received "the baptism of the Spirit," would not post something as carnal as this. This was written in the flesh. Think carefully what the Lord, through Paul says about those who do things in the flesh. What is done in the flesh is not of God.
Next time I see a post like this (vulgar or offensive language, as well as the questioning of one's salvation), it will warrant an infraction.

 

[evangelist-7]

... I believe the Lord redeemed me out from those circles
in order to be able to help others discern the true from the false

I just said in my last post that that was very possible.
So, start discerning! ... If you can.
You think I'm the same as those in that Pentecostal church of yours?
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[evangelist-7]

Next time I see a post like this (vulgar or offensive language, as well as the questioning of one's salvation), it will warrant an infraction.

Truly, those words had nothing to do with anyone's salvation!

Almost every last born-again Christian has some problem with demons.

They can attach themselves to many parts of the body, causing physical ailments.

They can attach themselves to many parts of the soul (mind, will, emotions),
causing mental, emotional, and spiritual problems.

The above attachments are called demonic oppression.

They cannot attach themselves to the spirit, which contains the Holy Spirit.
If it were possible, it would be demonic possession.

Any and all of these can be exorcised via the RCC way,
or a person can be set free by an Evangelical deliverance ministry team
(lone rangers need not apply ... much too dangerous!)

YESHUA ... Did your church do any of this successfully (with lasting results)?
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[DHK]

Truly, those words had nothing to do with anyone's salvation!

Almost every last born-again Christian has some problem with demons.

They can attach themselves to many parts of the body, causing physical ailments.

They can attach themselves to many parts of the soul (mind, will, emotions),
causing mental, emotional, and spiritual problems.

The above attachments are called demonic oppression.

They cannot attach themselves to the spirit, which contains the Holy Spirit.
If it were possible, it would be demonic possession.
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I don't care how you try to justify yourself. The words of your post that I quoted in posted #31 are not by anyone's standard warranted on this board. I am not going to argue that point.

 

[Yeshua1]

I just said in my last post that that was very possible.
So, start discerning! ... If you can.
You think I'm the same as those in that Pentecostal church of yours?
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do you hold the the second act of grace, the baptism in the Holy Ghost?

Do you hold that one MUST speak in other tongues to evidence that?

Do you hold to moden day apsotles/prophets God has given to the church?

Do you hold to extra biblical ongoing revelations from the Lord to the church tosday?

Are the copelands/hinns/hagin false or sound teachers?

 

[Yeshua1]

Truly, those words had nothing to do with anyone's salvation!

Almost every last born-again Christian has some problem with demons.

They can attach themselves to many parts of the body, causing physical ailments.

They can attach themselves to many parts of the soul (mind, will, emotions),
causing mental, emotional, and spiritual problems.

The above attachments are called demonic oppression.

They cannot attach themselves to the spirit, which contains the Holy Spirit.
If it were possible, it would be demonic possession.

Any and all of these can be exorcised via the RCC way,
or a person can be set free by an Evangelical deliverance ministry team
(lone rangers need not apply ... much too dangerous!)

YESHUA ... Did your church do any of this successfully (with lasting results)?
.

there were NO demonic delieverences in that Church, nor in my current one, but do teach and see people 'set free" from sins, and leading more fruitful lives by realising that Jesus died to set the captive free form their sins, and gave us His Holy spirit. who when we submit/yield to Him daily, God grants us the power to live overcoming lives in christ1

NOT evidenced with tongues/signs/wonder, but in the fruit of/by the Holy Spirit!

 

[evangelist-7]

do you hold the the second act of grace, the baptism in the Holy Ghost?
Do you hold that one MUST speak in other tongues to evidence that?
Do you hold to moden day apsotles/prophets God has given to the church?
Do you hold to extra biblical ongoing revelations from the Lord to the church tosday?
Are the copelands/hinns/hagin false or sound teachers?

Is this how you think you're gonna discern anything ...
by repeatedly askin' da same qvestions and gettin' da same answers ... over and over again?

News Flash! ... Spiritual discerning is by the Spirit, not by the flesh.

We has done covered da foist 4 multiples of times!
As to da 5th, I truthfully dunno, i.e. I don't watch, listen, read, etc. anyting of dem!
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[evangelist-7]

there were NO demonic delieverences in that Church, nor in my current one, but do teach and see people 'set free" from sins, and leading more fruitful lives by realising that Jesus died to set the captive free form their sins, and gave us His Holy spirit. who when we submit/yield to Him daily, God grants us the power to live overcoming lives in christ1

NOT evidenced with tongues/signs/wonder, but in the fruit of/by the Holy Spirit!

Praise God for those victories!
IMO, many evangelical churches experience the same victories.

Any obvious failures, i.e. so-called hopeless cases, in either church?
If so, I can help.
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[Yeshua1]

Praise God for those victories!
IMO, many evangelical churches experience the same victories.

Any obvious failures, i.e. so-called hopeless cases, in either church?
If so, I can help.
.

ANY victory a Christian has over the flesh/devil etc though comes form the Holy Spirit, and by paying close heed to the truths of the word of God!

that would be for ALL saved, not just those experiencing the "full Gospel!"

And where in the bible is a delieverence ministry listed as one of the gifts of the Spirit?

 

[Yeshua1]

Is this how you think you're gonna discern anything ...
by repeatedly askin' da same qvestions and gettin' da same answers ... over and over again?

News Flash! ... Spiritual discerning is by the Spirit, not by the flesh.

We has done covered da foist 4 multiples of times!
As to da 5th, I truthfully dunno, i.e. I don't watch, listen, read, etc. anyting of dem!
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Should be simple to answer them though, how do you view those questions?