Sorry, but the LORD does not change!

[Salty]

40 Post on this subject - is that number significant?

The OP and Yeshua have accounted for well over 60% of the posts

I would say that the OP should just say -"lets agree to disagree" as the other 7 or so posters all disagree with you.

 

[Yeshua1]

40 Post on this subject - is that number significant?

The OP and Yeshua have accounted for well over 60% of the posts

I would say that the OP should just say -"lets agree to disagree" as the other 7 or so posters all disagree with you.

Think all but 2 seemed to agree with what DHK and I was posting!

 

[evangelist-7]

ANY victory a Christian has over the flesh/devil etc though comes from the Holy Spirit,
and by paying close heed to the truths of the word of God!
that would be for ALL saved, not just those experiencing the "full Gospel!"
And where in the bible is a delieverence ministry listed as one of the gifts of the Spirit?

IMO, deliverance workers require the following spiritual power gifts in 1 Cor 12:
faith, discerning of spirits, possibly healing.

The most important thing is to have faith in (and obey) Jesus' command to go and cast out demons.
After this is done, the person must get in God's word and stay there in obedience,
or 7 times the number of demons may return!

But, with your severe UNBELIEF, all of this is totally impossible.

Everything is tied to UNBELIEF in God's word.

And the whole problem goes right back to those famous 1800 years!

Free-will Satan + free-will man = a powerful combo to fight against God,
who honors everyone's free-will.

Gee, what fun!
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[awaken]

Everything is tied to UNBELIEF in God's word.

Without faith it is impossible to please God!

When miracles were initiated from earth, two key factors were involved:
The authority of Jesus
The faith of people
The authority of Jesus is always available to us, whether we use it or not.

Similarly, faith is always available to us, whether we use it or not.

So...what is faith?

 

[Alcott]

Sorry, but the LORD does not change!

BTW why are you sorry he does not change?

 

[evangelist-7]

Sorry, but the LORD does not change!

BTW why are you sorry he does not change?

Sorry to destroy peoples' long-held (1800 years) false doctrines, which say that
the Lord has changed the way He wishes the church to be run, evangelism to be done, etc.

Via their free-will, Satan and man have changed all of it, but the Lord has not.
.

 

[Yeshua1]

IMO, deliverance workers require the following spiritual power gifts in 1 Cor 12:
faith, discerning of spirits, possibly healing.

The most important thing is to have faith in (and obey) Jesus' command to go and cast out demons.
After this is done, the person must get in God's word and stay there in obedience,
or 7 times the number of demons may return!

But, with your severe UNBELIEF, all of this is totally impossible.

Everything is tied to UNBELIEF in God's word.

And the whole problem goes right back to those famous 1800 years!

Free-will Satan + free-will man = a powerful combo to fight against God,
who honors everyone's free-will.

Gee, what fun!
.

demons CANNOT possess those who have been saved, for the holy spirit and demons cannot occupy at sae time a body!

so chrsitians have NO need for casting out demons!

sinners not saved yet need to come to christ and get saved, God will cast out any demon at that time, he is the one on "deliverence ministry!"

And its not a question of how much faith, its who is the faith placed in?

My faith in jesus, not any deliverence ministry!

the battle is mine, says the lord, and not by our might, nor power, but the holy Spirits!

when does the bible comamnd us to have delieverence ministries for chrsitians to havedemons cast out of them again?

 

[Yeshua1]

Without faith it is impossible to please God!

When miracles were initiated from earth, two key factors were involved:
The authority of Jesus
The faith of people
The authority of Jesus is always available to us, whether we use it or not.

Similarly, faith is always available to us, whether we use it or not.

So...what is faith?

You lef out the KEY missing part of your point here!

Its HAS to be in the Sovereign Will of God!..

IF God desires me to endure hardship in order to learn Him better, than no matter how much faith i have, in what I rebuke/cast out, I wills till be sick, in the testing etc!

 

[Yeshua1]

Sorry to destroy peoples' long-held (1800 years) false doctrines, which say that
the Lord has changed the way He wishes the church to be run, evangelism to be done, etc.

Via their free-will, Satan and man have changed all of it, but the Lord has not.
.

the lord DOES change the ways that he deals with man though, depending upon which Age we are in...

At time of acts, transistion era, recorded how He worked to fulfill OT prophecy and confirm the person of jesus and Apsotles, but NOT working that same way now!

 

[awaken]

You lef out the KEY missing part of your point here!

Its HAS to be in the Sovereign Will of God!..

IF God desires me to endure hardship in order to learn Him better, than no matter how much faith i have, in what I rebuke/cast out, I wills till be sick, in the testing etc!

Would you cast sickness on your children?

 

[awaken]

the lord DOES change the ways that he deals with man though, depending upon which Age we are in...

At time of acts, transistion era, recorded how He worked to fulfill OT prophecy and confirm the person of jesus and Apsotles, but NOT working that same way now!

Nowhere in scriptures does it say He is not working the same today! We are the same church that he started in Acts! We need to learn about the work of the Holy Spirit more today than then! Most churches today deny His power! So many are dying....lifeless! They have lowered church to man-made doctrines and programs to try to fill in the gap! Well only the Holy Spirit can do what needs to be done in church! But most of them have kicked Him out!

 

[Yeshua1]

Nowhere in scriptures does it say He is not working the same today! We are the same church that he started in Acts! We need to learn about the work of the Holy Spirit more today than then! Most churches today deny His power! So many are dying....lifeless! They have lowered church to man-made doctrines and programs to try to fill in the gap! Well only the Holy Spirit can do what needs to be done in church! But most of them have kicked Him out!

The work of the HS today is to convict sinners and the world of their sins, to open hearts/minds for them to come to Christ, and to empower those saved to live and witness for jesus!

THAT is what He is about today!

For the preaching/teaching/witness of the Bible is ALL that is required today, for thru them and Him, we can live overcoming lives for God!

 

[DHK]

Nowhere in scriptures does it say He is not working the same today!

Nowhere?
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

There is a definite time change here, in which God declares how he speaks to individuals at different times in different ways.

 

[awaken]

The work of the HS today is to convict sinners and the world of their sins, to open hearts/minds for them to come to Christ, and to empower those saved to live and witness for jesus!

THAT is what He is about today!

For the preaching/teaching/witness of the Bible is ALL that is required today, for thru them and Him, we can live overcoming lives for God!

Is that what you limit the Holy Spirit too? Yes! He does that..but so much more!

 

[awaken]

Nowhere?
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

There is a definite time change here, in which God declares how he speaks to individuals at different times in different ways.

And how does he speak to us by his Son?? You are comparing OT and NT...we are in the NT/New Covenant..We do not have to go to the prophets to hear from God now! Please do not limit Him to just the written word!

 

[DHK]

And how does he speak to us by his Son?? You are comparing OT and NT...we are in the NT/New Covenant..We do not have to go to the prophets to hear from God now! Please do not limit Him to just the written word!

God speaks to us by his Son through His Word.
The revelation of God is complete. There is no other revelation of God. All that we need to know about God is contained in the pages of the 66 books of the Bible. Ours is not a mystical religion.

 

[saturneptune]

Mucho thanks for da applause, but I'm too worn out tryin' to teach da Baptists to bow!

1900 years of false doctrine about God's SWM ceasing!
???? years of false doctrine about da OSAS stuff!

Difficult to teach against ... and really hard on the back!
That's the worst part of it ... can't bow any more.
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Oh great, just what the board needs, another magic act Christian. So what do you expect Jesus Christ to do for America's Baptist churches? Falling comets? Maybe a few raised from the dead? A levitation act? If He is going to repeat the water into wine trick, I am going to try and get Him to turn aluminum cans into gold.

No one said SWM have ceased. Whatever you think about Baptists, we do not worship acts of God, we worship God. Jesus Christ is all we need to know about the relationship between man and God. The Bible tells us all about this. That is sufficient. We do not need your added hocus pocus.

So tell me, since you obviously have not read Scripture about OSAS, as you put it, what exactly does one do to lose salvation? And, given that, what does one do to win it back? Maybe win a bingo game? Also, and this is the best trick of all, how does one time their dying to the period of time that salvation is in effect?

The only thing is this thread that has been said with any accuracy is that God does not change.

The bottom line question is, where do these people come from?

 

[awaken]

Just a note...

Didn't Jesus point to the works that He was doing? If they did not believe Him then believe the works that He is doing? Can't remember that scripture off hand.

I believe and I did seek HIM! But in seeking HIM..we come across truth!

 

[Salty]

So tell me, since you obviously have not read Scripture about OSAS, as you put it, what exactly does one do to lose salvation? And, given that, what does one do to win it back? Maybe win a bingo game?

I understand they like to use Heb 10:26 "For if we sin WILFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the truth
But the second part of the verse states "there NO more sacrifice for sins"

One other question - if you Could regain salvation, you would need to be baptized and voted into church membership again?

 

[evangelist-7]

Nowhere in scriptures does it say He is not working the same today!
We are the same church that he started in Acts!
We need to learn about the work of the Holy Spirit more today than then!
Most churches today deny His power! So many are dying....lifeless!
They have lowered church to man-made doctrines and programs to try to fill in the gap!
Well only the Holy Spirit can do what needs to be done in church!
But most of them have kicked Him out!

This is an incredibly powerful statement of spiritual Truth.
So much so ... I feel that it is anointed.

But, sorrowfully, people here don't want to see it or hear it ... for all kinds of reasons!
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