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SOTU-Biden says Putin can’t win the hearts of the Iranian people

Use of Time

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OEF = operation enduring freedom (war with Afghanistan)
OIF = operation Iraqi freedom (was with Iraq)

You may be correct that US/NATO/EU would not at that time been willing to go whole hog, but the question dealt with what if they did. If they could have foreseen the subsequent action by Russia based on our feckless response?

Hard to say. I can’t remember the state of the Russian military at the time. It somehow feels like forever ago in my mind for some reason.

Also tough to know where Putin was mentally at the time.
 
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canadyjd

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Iran had no nukes…..

Putin wants Ukraine. Let him have it. In return, we should demand guarantees from Russia that they will not intervene in any way when we bomb Iran back into the stone ages and when we dessimate N.Korean nuclear program.
We have a treaty with Russia right now. In exchange for Ukraine dismantling their Nukes, Russia promised to recognize their sovereignty and we promised aid Ukraine if Russia didn’t.

How could you possibly trust an agreement with Russia when they have violated the current treaty and would demand we violate it as a condition of the new agreement?

peace to you
 

Van

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Iran had no nukes.
The reporting of the Cuban missile crisis is more myth than fact. First fact is U.S. started it by placing nukes on Soviet border. Second fact is the Russian fleet never got anywhere close to the blockade. Third fact is that no one knows if the U.S. fleet would have engaged the Soviet ships had they not turned back. The fourth and most important fact is that The USSR actually won the show down. We pulled back far more missiles than USSR did.

Putin wants Ukraine. Let him have it. In return, we should demand guarantees from Russia that they will not intervene in any way when we bomb Iran back into the stone ages and when we dessimate N.Korean nuclear program.
Mr. Hitler provided numerous guarantees, and Chamberlain believed. Everyone knows dictators are not to be trusted.
To be nice, your "facts" are delusional nonsense.
 

Reynolds

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Mr. Hitler provided numerous guarantees, and Chamberlain believed. Everyone knows dictators are not to be trusted.
To be nice, your "facts" are delusional nonsense.
Which of my facts can you dispute? The declassified Kennedy tapes confirm.
 

Van

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Hard to say. I can’t remember the state of the Russian military at the time. It somehow feels like forever ago in my mind for some reason.

Also tough to know where Putin was mentally at the time.
Just a bit on the "Putin is mentally unstable" sideshow. It does not matter is Mr. Putin is bonkers, at least in the short term he is the decision maker. And like many dictators before him, he will be aggressive until he is stopped, not with words, but with power.
 

Use of Time

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Just a bit on the "Putin is mentally unstable" sideshow. It does not matter is Mr. Putin is bonkers, at least in the short term he is the decision maker. And like many dictators before him, he will be aggressive until he is stopped, not with words, but with power.

I don’t necessarily disagree but am wondering who you expect to supply the power.
 

Silverhair

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Iran had no nukes.
The reporting of the Cuban missile crisis is more myth than fact. First fact is U.S. started it by placing nukes on Soviet border. Second fact is the Russian fleet never got anywhere close to the blockade. Third fact is that no one knows if the U.S. fleet would have engaged the Soviet ships had they not turned back. The fourth and most important fact is that The USSR actually won the show down. We pulled back far more missiles than USSR did.

Putin wants Ukraine. Let him have it. In return, we should demand guarantees from Russia that they will not intervene in any way when we bomb Iran back into the stone ages and when we dessimate N.Korean nuclear program.

If you think that Putin will stop with Ukraine you are not thinking at all. He wants to be the next Czar. The only way to deal with his kind is to give them a bloody nose.
 

Reynolds

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If you think that Putin will stop with Ukraine you are not thinking at all. He wants to be the next Czar. The only way to deal with his kind is to give them a bloody nose.
The time to stop Putin was before he invaded. Joe screwed that up. If NATO wanted to act, they should have had troops in Ukraine prior to invasion. Then Putin would have had to attack NATO. He most likely would not have done that. If we act now, we will be attacking Russia. Best we can reasonably salvage is get what we want rubber stamped in this process. Blame it on Brandon. He did it.
Joe couldn't handle Afghanistan. You really want him directing a war with Russia.
As to giving Putin a bloody nose. He will be the kid that starts losing the first fight and jumps up with the pistol and shoots you. As hard line as he is. I am not convinced he is very deterred by MAD.
 

Van

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Which claim do you deem to be false?
Rather than address potentially endless false claims, you should provide a link to support your claim the Navy did not get close to a Russian merchant ship. Recall the overhead photos?
 

Van

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I don’t necessarily disagree but am wondering who you expect to supply the power.
Non-Communist countries, such as the more than 100 sending help as of yesterday. The premise the West cannot kill forces invading one of us because of the risk of nuclear war is a non-starter.
 

Van

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A little history - JFK speaking publicly to the world:


To halt this offensive buildup, a strict quarantine on all offensive military equipment under shipment to Cuba is being initiated. All ships of any kind bound for Cuba, from whatever nation or port, will, if found to contain cargoes of offensive weapons, be turned back. . . .

It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union. . . .

I call upon Chairman Khrushchev to halt and eliminate this clandestine, reckless and provocative threat to world peace and to stable relations between our two nations. . . . He has an opportunity now to move the world back from the abyss of destruction. . . .

My fellow citizens: let no one doubt that this is a difficult and dangerous effort on which we have set out. No one can foresee precisely what course it will take or what costs or casualties will be incurred. Many months of sacrifice and self-discipline lie ahead— months in which both our will and our patience will be tested— months in which many threats and denunciations will keep us aware of our danger. But the greatest danger of all would be to do nothing.​
 

canadyjd

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[QUOTE="Reynolds, post: ]

Putin…

As hard line as he is. I am not convinced he is very deterred by MAD.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps those around him are deterred by MAD.

Bottom line, He can’t launch by himself. Others have to follow that order.
peace to you
 

Wingman68

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NBC asks Kamala Harris if Biden will sanction Russia's oil and gas industry. Harris responds: "As it relates to what we need to do domestically as well as what we need to do in terms of this issue generally, we have, as the president said, reevaluated what we're doing"


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Kamala speaking in the classically leftist style———word salad. At least she wasn’t giggling hysterically as has been her go to response. She is why Biden is still the puppet. People expect him to say stupid stuff, always has, always will. I like the way he remembered his son Beau, again, during SOTU, but forgot the 13 who gave their lives, while in service to the country, no mention.

Here is Joe, when the 13 flag draped coffins returned to US soil:

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