SOTU-Biden says Putin can’t win the hearts of the Iranian people

[Reformed1689]

NBC asks Kamala Harris if Biden will sanction Russia's oil and gas industry. Harris responds: "As it relates to what we need to do domestically as well as what we need to do in terms of this issue generally, we have, as the president said, reevaluated what we're doing"

Kamala speaking in the classically leftist style———word salad. At least she wasn’t giggling hysterically as has been her go to response. She is why Biden is still the puppet. People expect him to say stupid stuff, always has, always will. I like the way he remembered his son Beau, again, during SOTU, but forgot the 13 who gave their lives, while in service to the country, no mention.

Yeah I a agree the only reason the Dems haven't tried to oust him is because she is just as bad if not worse and now they realize they messed up.

 

[Van]

Yeah I a agree the only reason the Dems haven't tried to oust him is because she is just as bad if not worse and now they realize they messed up.

I think it was about 50% of the voters who really messed up. Everyone should know what the Democrats are, and thus the problem is with those who vote for them.

 

[Reformed1689]

I think it was about 50% of the voters who really messed up. Everyone should know what the Democrats are, and thus the problem is with those who vote for them.

If the vote was correct

 

[Van]

If the vote was correct

That is why I said "about."

 

[Reynolds]

Rather than address potentially endless false claims, you should provide a link to support your claim the Navy did not get close to a Russian merchant ship. Recall the overhead photos?

History lesson. The two ships challenged were not Russian. The only Russian ship supposedly challenged ran the blockade. History fact for you. The Russian battle fleet never got close.

 

[Van]

History lesson. The two ships challenged were not Russian. The only Russian ship supposedly challenged ran the blockade. History fact for you. The Russian battle fleet never got close.

Why not address what I said, why sidestep?

"Rather than address potentially endless false claims, you should provide a link to support your claim the Navy did not get close to a Russian merchant ship. Recall the overhead photos?"

And recall the "myth" of the Russian Submarine?
October 25, 1962: U.S. Navy surveillance of first Soviet F-class submarine to surface near the quarantine line (conning tower number 945, Soviet fleet number B-130, commanded by Shumkov).

 

[Reynolds]

Why not address what I said, why sidestep?

"Rather than address potentially endless false claims, you should provide a link to support your claim the Navy did not get close to a Russian merchant ship. Recall the overhead photos?"

And recall the "myth" of the Russian Submarine?
October 25, 1962: U.S. Navy surveillance of first Soviet F-class submarine to surface near the quarantine line (conning tower number 945, Soviet fleet number B-130, commanded by Shumkov).

I don't think you can find any modern history that disagrees with me. (Post declassification of incident era.)
Wikipedia has a good analysis of it.

 

[Van]

I don't think you can find any modern history that disagrees with me. (Post declassification of incident era.)

Our Navy came close to Russian warships, your claims have been shown to be delusional nonsense.

 

[Reynolds]

Our Navy came close to Russian warships, your claims have been shown to be delusional nonsense.

TWE Remembers: Eyeball to Eyeball and the Other Fellow Just Blinked (Cuban Missile Crisis, Day Nine)

You bought the U.S. news propaganda. Please research for yourself the declassified information and learn the facts of what happened. U.S. news is as full of propaganda as Chinese news.

 

[AustinC]

TWE Remembers: Eyeball to Eyeball and the Other Fellow Just Blinked (Cuban Missile Crisis, Day Nine)

You bought the U.S. news propaganda. Please research for yourself the declassified information and learn the facts of what happened. U.S. news is as full of propaganda as Chinese news.

A blog post from October 24, 2012???

 

[Reynolds]

A blog post from October 24, 2012???

'Mister President, the Navy Will Not Let You Down' - USNI News


A single sub is all that got close. Russian subs tailed U.S.ships regularly, just as our subs regularly tailed theirs. The USSR warships never got close.
Our agreement to remove nukes from Turkey and Italy ended the crisis. Our putting missiles in Turkey started the crisis.

 

[Van]

TWE Remembers: Eyeball to Eyeball and the Other Fellow Just Blinked (Cuban Missile Crisis, Day Nine)

You bought the U.S. news propaganda. Please research for yourself the declassified information and learn the facts of what happened. U.S. news is as full of propaganda as Chinese news.

Sir, to claim your view is right, but my view is wrong, when your view has been demonstrated to be false is without merit.

 

[Reynolds]

Sir, to claim your view is right, but my view is wrong, when your view has been demonstrated to be false is without merit.

Show me some evidence what I said was wrong.

 

[Van]

Show me some evidence what I said was wrong.

Note this fellow has admitted there was a Russian submarine, thus admitting he made a false statement, yet now denies his own statement of post #51. Liberals charge others with their malfeasance, so I am charged with buying USA propaganda, when his position reflects Russian propaganda.

To remind people - here is my statement:

"Rather than address potentially endless false claims, you should provide a link to support your claim the Navy did not get close to a Russian merchant ship. Recall the overhead photos?"

 

[Van]

More Cuban Missile Crisis history:
'Cappng the day's events
and indicating the gravity of
the situation, the ships of
Task Group Alfa closed in on
a Soviet submarine (contact C-
19) first located on the 26th.
To signal the undersea vessel
that American naval forces
were aware of her presence,
sailors on the destroyer Cony
dropped five hand grenades
over the side. The sound from
these exploding grenades
could be easily picked up by
the submarine's sonar. Three
hours later, the Foxtrot-class
boat surfaced and identified
herself as the Soviet naval
vessel Korablx (ShipX ) . Es-
corted by several U.S. war-
ships, the submarine
proceeded at slow speed on an
easterly heading into the open Atlantic."

"According to Attorney General Robert Kennedy, when Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara reviewed the use of practice depth charges (PDCs), the size of hand grenades, to signal the submarines, "those few minutes were the time of greatest worry to the President. His hand went up to his face & he closed his fist."

The US Navy forced 3 Russian Submarines to the surface, the B-30, B-59 and B130.

 

[Reynolds]

Note this fellow has admitted there was a Russian submarine, thus admitting he made a false statement, yet now denies his own statement of post #51. Liberals charge others with their malfeasance, so I am charged with buying USA propaganda, when his position reflects Russian propaganda.

To remind people - here is my statement:

"Rather than address potentially endless false claims, you should provide a link to support your claim the Navy did not get close to a Russian merchant ship. Recall the overhead photos?"

Subs always were tailing warships. That was not an act of running the quarantine. You need to come up with a few facts. I am no liberal. Far from it. I also don't drink Kool Aid from either side.

 

[Van]

Subs always were tailing warships. That was not an act of running the quarantine. You need to come up with a few facts. I am no liberal. Far from it. I also don't drink Kool Aid from either side.

Your posts have betrayed your denials. These were blockade US Navy destroyers preventing detected Russian Navy Warship Submarines from penetrating the blockade. Sir, you have made one false statement after another. Thus a documented liberal in my humble opinion. I said "A" and you said "B" was not true. Same ol, same ol...

 

[Reynolds]

Your posts have betrayed your denials. These were blockade US Navy destroyers preventing detected Russian Navy Warship Submarines from penetrating the blockade. Sir, you have made one false statement after another. Thus a documented liberal in my humble opinion. I said "A" and you said "B" was not true. Same ol, same ol...

You are delusional. I have offered you here how to find the best evidence. evidence. The quarantine never stopped or encountered a Russian navy ship. One U S. Destroyer tailed a navy sub that ran the quarantine line after it had tailed U.S. ship to the line. Two foreign flag ships were searched. The only Russian flag merchant ship ran the line and got through.
The quarantine line did not end the crisis. Kennedy agreeing to take all nukes out of Turkey and Italy ended the crisis. Read the declassified history of the event. The U.S. removed far more nukes than the USSR. Quit being obstinately stubborn, quit calling someone far more conservative than you a liberal, and learn what happened.

 

[Van]

You are delusional. I have offered you here how to find the best evidence. evidence. The quarantine never stopped or encountered a Russian navy ship. One U S. Destroyer tailed a navy sub that ran the quarantine line after it had tailed U.S. ship to the line. Two foreign flag ships were searched. The only Russian flag merchant ship ran the line and got through.
The quarantine line did not end the crisis. Kennedy agreeing to take all nukes out of Turkey and Italy ended the crisis. Read the declassified history of the event. The U.S. removed far more nukes than the USSR. Quit being obstinately stubborn, quit calling someone far more conservative than you a liberal, and learn what happened.

Folks, I supported the fact the blockage brought 3 Russian Navy ships (submarines) to the surface and turned them away. This fellow claims I am delusional. So much for reality.