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Sources Identify Major as Gunman in Deadly Shooting Rampage at Fort Hood

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Nonsequitur

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Did you read the posts Nonsequitur wrote? For some unknown reason he seemed to be attacking everyone for everything. I was shocked and puzzled, especially when he stated he would like to meet Aaron in person!

I don't feel like I am doing anything to put myself in the liberal camp anymore. I guess Nonsequitur just doesn't get it.

"Did you see what he wrote".
"Mommy...Nonsequitur said something I didn't like."
"He's attacking everyone and is a bully."
"I'm shocked, puzzled, and have no...........
well, I have no idea how to take him or what to say to him. Or have any idea how to rationally debate him."
"Daddy? Will you ban him please? He scares me."
"When he said he wanted to meet Aaron.....welll. I just know he will hurt him,....and you know...... I want, well, what he said to mean that...even though,....oh I don't know...just make the scary man go away."

Cod-Brain.

Or as 'Bill the Cat used to say'....."Thhhhiiiipppppsssssssttttttt!':tongue3:
 

Nonsequitur

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I know where you're going with that, so I'll just save everyone some time. I'm going to say that nonradical Muslims follow the teachings of the Koran, and you're going to say that if nonradical Muslims don't agree with radical Muslims on the Koran, then the nonradical Muslims don't know what their Koran says. I will reply by saying that a nonradical Muslim can be trusted to know the Koran more than you do, to which you will reply by referring to me as a compromiser, liberal, muslim sympathizer, or some such nonsense. I'll respond by accusing you of not being able to differentiate between a Muslim and a radical Muslim extremist, afterwhich a moderator will say this thread has reached ten pages and denegrated from the original post, afterwhich they will close the thread.

Gee, I'll save you some time.
Any who worship allah are wrong.
Who cares if they are violent or not?
Jesus is the only Son of God.
He is the only one for our Salvation.
Who cares if the followers of a false religion adhere to their false bible?
Sheesh!
 

sag38

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If an Army psychologist has ptsd from simply listening to the war experiences of combat tried soldiers then he or she needs to resign his or her commission and go home. I'm with Jedi. What a crock. In fact, I'll add to it. What a crock of bull chips!!!
 

Gold Dragon

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I suppose by "PTSD from indirect exposure" you mean from hearing about the experiences of others?

If so, I believe that's a crock.

sag38 said:
If an Army psychologist has ptsd from simply listening to the war experiences of combat tried soldiers then he or she needs to resign his or her commission and go home. I'm with Jedi. What a crock. In fact, I'll add to it. What a crock of bull chips!!!

Indirect PTSD is a valid diagnosis even if technically it does not meet the fine print of DSM IV (the bible of psychiatry) criteria. Maybe DSM V which is expected to be released in 2012 will modify the definition to account for indirect PTSD. Whether Hasan had indirect PTSD or not is another matter.

Posttraumatic stress disorder in disaster relief workers following direct and indirect trauma exposure to Ground Zero.

J Trauma Stress. 2006 Aug;19(4):553-7.
Zimering R, Gulliver SB, Knight J, Munroe J, Keane TM.

VA Boston Healthcare System, Boston, MA and Department of Psychiatry, Boston University School of Medicine, Boston, MA 02114, USA. rose.zimering@va.gov

The present study compared rates of posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in relief workers at the World Trade Center collapse from two sources: direct exposure to the disaster site and indirect exposure through survivor narratives. Standardized clinical interviews for PTSD were conducted with 109 relief workers 6-8 months after the September 11th terrorist attacks. Rates of acute PTSD from direct and indirect exposure to traumatic stressors were 6.4% and 4.6%, respectively. The findings suggest that indirect exposures can lead to PTSD even when Criterion A1 of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition-Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR; American Psychiatric Association, 2000, p. 463), i.e., "experienced by a family member or other close associate" is not met. Further research is necessary to define precisely the parameters of indirect traumatic exposure that may be linked to the development of PTSD.
 

rbell

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I have little use for DSM IV. They're busy justifying perversions in that "manual." (it won't surprise me if pedophilia is considered "acceptable" in DSM V).

When they're getting stuff like that wrong...why would I consider them authoritative anywhere else?
 

Johnv

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I never said Muslim Americans should not serve in the military. However, when any of them speak or behave the way Hasan did, they should be investigated immediately. That's what I said.
I can't imagine anyone would disagree with that.
 

Johnv

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Gee, I'll save you some time.
Any who worship allah are wrong.
Who cares if they are violent or not?
Jesus is the only Son of God.
He is the only one for our Salvation.
Who cares if the followers of a false religion adhere to their false bible?
Sheesh!
By that reckoning, we should likewise expel Jews, Mormons, and Buddhists, and Jehovah's Witnesses from the milirary, since they all worship a false god.
 

Johnv

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The word is "internment," brainiac.
That's the best you can do to support the notion that it's okay to deny American Citizens of their rights by tossing them in internment camps, based on nothing more than ethnic makeup?
 
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Aaron

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That's the best you can do to support the notion that it's okay to deny American Citizens of their rights by tossing them in internment camps, based on nothing more than ethnic makeup?
Hardly. But it does show that for all your boasting you really don't know what you're talking about.
 

RAdam

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It is sad that people cannot or will not understand the difference between a person of Japanese decent that had asssimilated into American society and loved this country and a person born here who adheres to a religion that is openly hostile to our country and that we are now at war against. The Muslim that follows the teachings of the Koran isn't going to go fight against other Muslims following the teachings of the Koran and for us to expect different is either stupidity or willfull ignorance.
 

Johnv

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But it does show that for all your boasting you really don't know what you're talking about.
Hmmm, you said:

...it was not only permissible, but it was necesary to put American citizens who were Japanese in internment camps.

...it was permissible to intern American citizens who were Japanese, but not do the same with German Americans.

... "We weren't fighting the Germans. We were fighting the Nazis. The German people were for us, but the Japanese people were against us." so it was okay to deny US citizens their rights.

And you're claiming I don't know what I'm talking about. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It is sad that people cannot or will not understand the difference between a person of Japanese decent that had asssimilated into American society and loved this country and a person born here who adheres to a religion that is openly hostile to our country and that we are now at war against.
Funny you mention that, because Aaron certainly does not. He views them as one and the same.
The Muslim that follows the teachings of the Koran isn't going to go fight against other Muslims following the teachings of the Koran and for us to expect different is either stupidity or willfull ignorance.
Again, there are some 20,000 Muslims Americans serving in our armed forces, and many of them are in Afghanistan and Iraq, most serving proudly. My neighbor is an American born Muslim, who just returned from Afghanistan, where he served with distinction.

If a native born Muslim American enlists, let him serve. If his religion requires him to conciously object, then he should be treated like any other enlistee who refuses to follow orders.
 
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RAdam

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His religion requires him to kill, lie, and do other horrible acts for the furtherance of his religion.
 

Johnv

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About once a week, I eat dinner at a restaurant run by a Muslim family. Best burgers in town! I've been eating there for about 2 years. They know I'm Christian.

My physician is a Muslim. I've been seeing him for ten years. He's a Muslim. He knows I'm a Christian.

My wife's physician is a Muslim. He graduated at the top of his class from the University of Lebanon. He saved my wife's life last year when she required emergency surgery for a hiatal hernia. He knew she was a Christian.

Three years ago, I was in an auto accident. The accident happenned outside a mosque. Several Muslim men ran out and pulled me from the wreckage. I was dazed and confused, but I was okay. They wouldn't leave me alone until the ambulance arrived.

My neighbors are Muslim. We've exchanged recipes, borrowed power tools, and do all those things that neighbors do. They've had every chance to do something to sabotage my home or family, but haven't come close. They even rescued my dog once from almost getting hit by a stray car. They're the best neighbors I've ever had. They know I'm Christian.

You'd think that, if the Muslim religion required them to kill Christians, they would at least have tried it once. The men at the mosque could have just stood by and watched, like many others did that day I had my accident. The local eatery could have poisoned me without me ever knowing. My doctor has had many chances to give me substandard treatment. My neighbors could have given me bad food, or tried to break into my house, but haven't. My wife's doctor had every chance to allow my wife to die on the operating room table of natural causes. But he didn't. He did everything to save her life, and it worked! God bless him!!
 

Johnv

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I believe you John.
Some won't. I've been told before by a poster "you shouldn't trust them". I've also been told not to eat at a Muslim eatery for the same reason. And when I shared my exprience of my Muslims brother in law coming to the Lord through me on his deathbed, I was accused of fabricating the story.
 
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