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[Robert Snow]

About once a week, I eat dinner at a restaurant run by a Muslim family. Best burgers in town! I've been eating there for about 2 years. They know I'm Christian.

My physician is a Muslim. I've been seeing him for ten years. He's a Muslim. He knows I'm a Christian.

My wife's physician is a Muslim. He graduated at the top of his class from the University of Lebanon. He saved my wife's life last year when she required emergency surgery for a hiatal hernia. He knew she was a Christian.

Three years ago, I was in an auto accident. The accident happenned outside a mosque. Several Muslim men ran out and pulled me from the wreckage. I was dazed and confused, but I was okay. They wouldn't leave me alone until the ambulance arrived.

My neighbors are Muslim. We've exchanged recipes, borrowed power tools, and do all those things that neighbors do. They've had every chance to do something to sabotage my home or family, but haven't come close. They even rescued my dog once from almost getting hit by a stray car. They're the best neighbors I've ever had. They know I'm Christian.

You'd think that, if the Muslim religion required them to kill Christians, they would at least have tried it once. The men at the mosque could have just stood by and watched, like many others did that day I had my accident. The local eatery could have poisoned me without me ever knowing. My doctor has had many chances to give me substandard treatment. My neighbors could have given me bad food, or tried to break into my house, but haven't. My wife's doctor had every chance to allow my wife to die on the operating room table of natural causes. But he didn't. He did everything to save her life, and it worked! God bless him!!

I can't say I don't believe you, but you sure do know and interact with a lot of Muslims.

Does the Koran tell the Muslim to be at peace with Christians or to either convert or kill them?

 

[Johnv]

I can't say I don't believe you, but you sure do know and interact with a lot of Muslims.

I interact with a lot of people. I wouldn't say I interact with Muslims any more or less than I interact with anyone else.

Does the Koran tell the Muslim to be at peace with Christians or to either convert or kill them?

Do you think you're more of an authority on the Koran than a practicing Muslim?

According to my Muslim neighbor, Islamic fundamentalism is rooted in Wahhabism (which sprang up in the 18th century). He says, the way to cambat these "hyperislamists" is to turn them to the very Koran they claim to follow.

For example, according to my neighbor, the Koran views followers of the Scripture as a righteous people. It refers to them as "a nation upstanding ... in the ranks of the righteous." He also says that it is agaisnt Islam to force people into it under duress, citing the verse "let there be no compulsion in religion", which, he says, radicals ignore. There's also a passage which says it was not the will of Allah for everyone to believe, so it is therefore wrong for a Muslim to force people to do so.

The only passages that refer to killing is in in references to Muslims are being warred against for their beliefs. The problem is that Muslims extremists think they're at war. The normal Muslims knows they are not. So says my Muslim neighbor, who is now a decorated was veteran.

So, to answer your question, according to a person who is a born and bred patriotic American, and who is also a Muslim, the answer is no.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

I can't say I don't believe you, but you sure do know and interact with a lot of Muslims.

Does the Koran tell the Muslim to be at peace with Christians or to either convert or kill them?

Why don't you ask the Muslims what they believe? I'm sure you can find some "Christians" who will say they want to kill gay people. My point is that we can't judge all Muslims based on the extreme versions of their views.

Like John, I too know several Muslims. Not one of them has tried to kill or convert me, although we have talked about religion some. When one of them was given a Gideon Bible, he gave it to me so I could put it to use. If he hated Christians so much, he could have just destroyed it or something.

 

[Robert Snow]

I interact with a lot of people. I wouldn't say I interact with Muslims any more or less than I interact with anyone else.

Do you think you're more of an authority on the Koran than a practicing Muslim?

According to my Muslim neighbor, Islamic fundamentalism is rooted in Wahhabism (which sprang up in the 18th century). He says, the way to cambat these "hyperislamists" is to turn them to the very Koran they claim to follow.

For example, according to my neighbor, the Koran views followers of the Scripture as a righteous people. It refers to them as "a nation upstanding ... in the ranks of the righteous." He also says that it is agaisnt Islam to force people into it under duress, citing the verse "let there be no compulsion in religion", which, he says, radicals ignore. There's also a passage which says it was not the will of Allah for everyone to believe, so it is therefore wrong for a Muslim to force people to do so.

The only passages that refer to killing is in in references to Muslims are being warred against for their beliefs. The problem is that Muslims extremists think they're at war. The normal Muslims knows they are not. So says my Muslim neighbor, who is now a decorated was veteran.

So, to answer your question, according to a person who is a born and bred patriotic American, and who is also a Muslim, the answer is no.

You just keep on believing you Muslim neighbor, but try not to suffocate in the sand your head it buried in.

If these Muslim neighbors of yours ever have a majority in our country, you will certainly find out just how peaceful they really are.

 

[Johnv]

If the majority were like my neighbor, I'd welcome it. I'm more concerned about the country having a majority that shared your mentality, heaven forbid.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

You just keep on believing you Muslim neighbor, but try not to suffocate in the sand your head it buried in.
If these Muslim neighbors of yours ever have a majority in our country, you will certainly find out just how peaceful they really are.

Who are you to personally insult John's Muslim neighbors, given that you've never met them? Mr. Snow, you have your head buried in bigotry and intolerance. I think that there's something in the Bible about bearing false witness.

 

[carpro]

Who are you to personally insult John's Muslim neighbors, given that you've never met them? Mr. Snow, you have your head buried in bigotry and intolerance. I think that there's something in the Bible about bearing false witness.

You are a troll.

Probably one that's been here before under several different names.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

You are a troll.

Probably one that's been here before under several different names.

No, I'm not a troll. This is my one and only account. I don't care for false accusations.

I'm asking you for an apology.

 

[sag38]

Don't feed the troll. They get their feelings hurt too easily.

 

[KenH]

No, I'm not a troll. This is my one and only account. I don't care for false accusations.

I'm asking you for an apology.

Hey, Paul, don't let some these posters get to you. Just let it go. Trust me on this. I've been around here long enough to have learned that it's really not worth your time to get into a spitting contest with them.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

Hey, Paul, don't let some these posters get to you. Just let it go. Trust me on this. I've been around here long enough to have learned that it's really not worth your time to get into a spitting contest with them.

Thanks, Ken. You're probably right but I will leave the door open if they want to do the right thing.

BTW, Ken, I see that you're a Libertarian. While I'm more of a political moderate, I am influenced by libertarian political philosophy. I have my disagreements with the LP, but I consider them a very good organization.

God bless!

 

[carpro]

No, I'm not a troll.

You post like one.

Wording, phraseology, chip on the shoulder, contrarian are all just like others we've had here. Almost identical to at least one I can think of.

We shall see.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I have little use for DSM IV. They're busy justifying perversions in that "manual." (it won't surprise me if pedophilia is considered "acceptable" in DSM V).

When they're getting stuff like that wrong...why would I consider them authoritative anywhere else?

I don't see why describing a disorder makes it acceptable. The DSM IV describes many disorders that criminals have. It is a book that describes psychiatric disorders and does not comment on their morality or their legality. The word disorder suggests that something is wrong.

A more common and realistic criticism of DSM IV is that the criteria at times are so broad that many "normal" people would qualify for a psychiatric disorder of some sort. It is a common culprit for the "over-medicalization of modern society" criticism that is often thrown around. Having used the DSM IV, I think it is helpful for training doctors to develop some certainty and boundaries in definitions for psychiatric conditions that are often very fuzzy and blurry in reality.

 

[sag38]

Homosexuality used to be considered a psychological disorder as defined in earlier versions of the DSM. It was removed not by scientific concesus but after various protest by pro homosexual organizations. Thus, the validity and objectivity of the American Psychological Assn. is questionable. Plus, many use the various diagnosis as labels (Bi-Polar, ADHD, etc.) as excuses thus removing personal responsibility for personal choices and actions.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Homosexuality used to be considered a psychological disorder as defined in earlier versions of the DSM. It was removed not by scientific concesus but after various protest by pro homosexual organizations.

rbell thinks that inclusion in DSM IV = acceptable. sag38 thinks that exclusion from DSM IV = acceptable. Which is it?

I would agree that homosexuality is not a psychiatric condition. Whether it is moral behaviour or not does not depend on its inclusion or exclusion in the DSM IV.

Plus, many use the various diagnosis as lables (Bi-Polar, ADHD, etc.) as excuses thus removing personal responsibility for personal choices and actions.

I agree that there is a danger in the overuse and overdependence of labels. However, the insanity plea has been legally recognized for centuries as a valid explanation for choices and actions. The DSM IV did not start this.

Bipolar and ADHD are very real biological conditions that can be treated so that a person can be in control of actions and choices. Whether they are overdiagnosed or not is a different story.

Anyway, I think this is distracting too much from the topic at hand so maybe we can create another thread on issues in Psychiatry.

 

[sag38]

The DSM is a tool that has to be used if one is to be reimbursed by an insurance company. And, it no longer labels homosexuality as a mental disorder. Again, not by the reason of science but by political correctness. However, whether it's found in the DSM IV or not is of no consequence when it comes to the Word of God which calls homosexuality a sin and even worse an abomination. I'll take God's word over the DSM V any day of the week.

 

[Robert Snow]

Who are you to personally insult John's Muslim neighbors, given that you've never met them? Mr. Snow, you have your head buried in bigotry and intolerance. I think that there's something in the Bible about bearing false witness.

Thank you! If fact, I'm so intolerent that I believe there is only one way to heaven, and that's through the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you agree?

 

[FR7 Baptist]

Thank you! If fact, I'm so intolerent that I believe there is only one way to heaven, and that's through the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. Do you agree?

I agree that salvation is only through Christ and I'm tolerant. In accordance with the teachings of Christ, I am opposed to bearing false witness about people I've never met. Do you agree?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Thread Closed

Considering the heat being generated and the fact this thread is on its 14th page, I am closing it right now.

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