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Southern Baptist leader: Donald Trump a ‘lost’ soul’ who must repent

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Yeshua1

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Zaac said:
You like many "conservatives" are STUCK on certain sins and this is another reason why folks don't listen to you. All you want to talk about is what you think is their BIG sin. What about the rest of their sin? You still look like you're trying to win the argument with them about sexual sin while ignoring that they need to be forgiven of ALL of their sin. That they need to turn from ALL of their sin.;)
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I am just very concerned that many within the so called Christian church has decided to say that God no longer calls their chosen lifestyles as sinning, that they can get saved, and then God will condone and even now bless their sinful relationships!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
One does not contidict though the other, as BOTH are still in force!
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He sure doesn't contradict it. What HE does do is complete it. What HE does do is show that while He gave the Jews cultural laws by which to govern themselves, HE also never gave any Jew the right to take life unless HE had so to do so.

The finished work on the Cross that the Jews NOW reject and that you seem to reject also demonstrated that Christ was instituting the complete way to be set apart. And the Cross clearly shows that completed way to be one of grace and mercy when dealing with life and death.

The ONLY way for a Christian to think that any man is worthy of death at the hands of another sinful man or government is for that FORGIVEN, SHOWN THE GRACE AND MERCY OF JESUS ON THE CROSS, Christian to believe himself not worthy of death for his own sin.

And THAT is exactly where you are.
 
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Zaac said:
He sure doesn't contradict it. What HE does do is complete it. What HE does do is show that while He gave the Jews cultural laws by which to govern themselves, HE also never gave any Jew the right to take life unless HE had so to do so.

The finished work on the Cross that the Jews NOW reject and that you seem to reject also demonstrated that Christ was instituting the complete way to be set apart. And the Cross clearly shows that completed way to be one of grace and mercy when dealing with life and death.

The ONLY way for a Christian to think that any man is worthy of death at the hands of another sinful man or government is for that FORGIVEN, SHOWN THE GRACE AND MERCY OF JESUS ON THE CROSS, Christian to believe himself not worthy of death for his own sin.

And THAT is exactly where you are.
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God that mandate to execute for sin of Capital Murder before he gave the law, before they were the jewish people...

The Cross gave to sinners a brand New Covenant in how God will now libe and dwell in his people, and forgive them of their sins, but while in this world, still subject to divine law, so when God declares that the person who commits a crime worthy of death must die for that act, even Christians should get executed if they chose to do that deed!

Did not John state that even among believers, there is a sin punishable unto death ?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
I am just very concerned that many within the so called Christian church has decided to say that God no longer calls their chosen lifestyles as sinning, that they can get saved, and then God will condone and even now bless their sinful relationships!
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What others are doing wrong has nothing to do with how Christ has told you, as an ambassador for HIM, to present yourself for the glory of Him.

You continue to be confused by what Scripture says is the homosexual offense and what you want the homosexual offense to be. Lifestyles aren't sinful. People are.

And while you're STUCK on convincing them about the one sin upon which you and so many other CHristians want to focus, you're being put on ignore and many are still going to hell for ALL of their unforgiven sin.

It seems to be a pride thing for you and a lot of Christians. You're gonna win this argument with them if it's the last thing you do, while they are still going to hell for ALL of their unforgiven sin.
 
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Zaac

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Yeshua1 said:
God that mandate to execute for sin of Capital Murder before he gave the law, before they were the jewish people...
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Don't be dense. You know who the command was given. From whom do you think the Jewish people came?

The Cross gave to sinners a brand New Covenant in how God will now libe and dwell in his people, and forgive them of their sins, but while in this world, still subject to divine law, so when God declares that the person who commits a crime worthy of death must die for that act, even Christians should get executed if they chose to do that deed!
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You're completely, like the Jews, ignoring everything in the New Testament. If HE's forgiving them of their sin, He's obviously absolving them of their rightful , well deserved deaths.

While in this world, The government can choose to kill babies and adults all day. The government IS NOT God. And in the New Testament, He showed that His way of dealing with actions that the government found worthy of death were not and are not one in the same.

He has not told the CHristian to forgive 70 x 7 if His intent is for you to advocate murder. God is not a liar. He does not tell us in Scripture that if we break one law, we're guilty of breaking them all, just to turn around and say that another who broke the same laws is more worthy of death than we are.

Did not John state that even among believers, there is a sin punishable unto death ?
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You contextually don't know what you're now saying.
 
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Earth Wind and Fire said:
That's what I call loving your brethren, calling the guy dense when you could clearly see he is trying.
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And this is what we call trying to stir up trouble under the guise of looking out for someone else. Save the manipulation for those who can't see through such foolishness.
 
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Crabtownboy said:
Wrong. Show me in the NT exact words from Jesus saying that capital punishment is permissible.

Again, tell me what did Jesus say say as to how we are to treat our enemies?



Paul's words, not the words of Jesus. You will never see that verse printed in Red in a Red Letter Bible.
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Jesus said that He came to fulfill the Law, as you know. You yourself, CTB, are the one who cannot show the overthrow of the Law to Noah.

Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

However, that is not your big misleading statement.

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Nor have you shown that the SBC is frugal by hiring Democrat activist Russell Moore to run a commission that benefits no one and should be abolished.
 
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church mouse guy said:
Jesus said that He came to fulfill the Law, as you know. You yourself, CTB, are the one who cannot show the overthrow of the Law to Noah.

Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

However, that is not your big misleading statement.

What is misleading in your personal argument, CBT, is that you do not believe that the unborn child is a live human being and yet you try to mislead people and say that the fifty or so annual executions of criminals in the USA is equal to the American sewers filled with the blood of abortions. So if you do not believe that the unborn child is a child then you cannot say that you will be for abortion until capital punishment ends because you do not think that abortion is murder or sinful. And then you try to say that God's commandment in Genesis is murder.

Nor have you shown that the SBC is frugal by hiring Democrat activist Russell Moore to run a commission that benefits no one and should be abolished.
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You continue your lies about me.

Also, you show no quote showing Christ saying he was in favor of Capital Punishment.

Also, if he fulfilled the law then he paid the debt and there is no way that capital punishment is valid ... he paid the price.

Now, please show me a direct quote.
 
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Zaac said:
But the neither the current President nor the lady running to be the next President have ever said that they don't need to be forgiven by God.
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LOL. Doesn't matter what they say. It's what they do that matters.
 
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Crabtownboy said:
Wrong. Show me in the NT exact words from Jesus saying that capital punishment is permissible.
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Where does He say that imprisonment or fines or points on one's license is permissible?



Paul's words, not the words of Jesus. You will never see that verse printed in Red in a Red Letter Bible.
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So? Did Paul say anything authoritative, or only those things that can be wrested to fit your political and sociological bent?

Paul's words to the churches are Christ's words to the churches. You can't reject the apostle without rejecting the One who sent him, your feigned reverence for red letters and lip service notwithstanding.
 
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