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Southern Baptist leader: Donald Trump a ‘lost’ soul’ who must repent

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righteousdude2

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Let's not forget that your bigotry knows no end and causes you to bear false witness against that man again and again just because you don't like him. Of all the things that have pushed a gay agenda, the Obama White House would be very far down the list. You tell one radical right lie after the other and think just because you repeat it again and again that it's true.

How man times have the folks on the radical right claimed that gay marriage was a states right issue? There were some 35 states that legalized gay marriage. And that had nothing to do with Obama. The Supreme Court's ruling basically made it legal in all 50 states. Does Obama control the Supreme Court? Of course not. Just more of your radical right foolishness not based in reality.

Whose White House forced all the heterosexual porn sites? Whose White House forced the heterosexual soft porn on tv? Whose White House forced all the heterosexual filth that'd pervades every commercial? Whose White House is responsible for always showing or implying that unmarried heterosexual couples are having sex?



Good. He seems to have cut into many old men in the GOP's direct access to transgenders in the bathroom. I think that may be what so many of these old GOPers ae really so upset about.



Awww. Because immigrants have gotten a backbone in support of their home countries, you're upset. Pure silliness. Go to Chinatown or Germantown. Or go up to Boston where everyone is flying Irish paraphernalia. How did he make illegal immigrants to come out? STop this parroting of Fox NEws.


The folks hiring them mock the same laws.


That's hardly your problem with him.



Too many folks in the military listening to Fox News are what has really weakened the military as it has made them as disrespectful of their Commander in Chief as are the politically conservative republicans.



Pure foolishness based in your own bigotry. If you cared anything about this country, you wouldn't be supporting Donald Trump for President. So save the histrionics

Of the many GOP candidates, I knew back in the fall that your bigotry would push you toward another bigot.

For every finger of accusation you point in my direction, you have three remaining on your hand pointing right back at you. If I am a bigot declaring false witness against "that man" what does that make you? Your response is shameful, Zaac, and it does not adequately answer my accusations, it amounts to little more than an angry, hateful rant against facts that I provided.

Show me how Obama wasn't involved in, and didn't have a hand in and input into the transgender use of the restrooms and showers of the gender they IDENTIFY with? Show me where Obama didn't CHAMPION the cause for gay marriages? Show me where he didn't PROMISE Americans that they could keep their doctor if they liked their doctor? Or where he did promise Americans that their insurance would cost less than what they were paying upon the implementation of Obamcare? Show me where Obama hasn't been behind the stripping down of our military?

Facts are what you always lack. And in place of facts come snarky comments, judgement, insults and worse yet, you continue to insinuate that others on this board may not be saved and following the Lord because we lean in a different direction then you.
 

righteousdude2

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Wow!! That is the sickest, irrational, most unbiblical reasoning I think I have ever seen allowed on this board! And it is disgusting how you are allowed to conclude with accusations on Christians supported with nothing more than blatantly ignorant question begging backed false dilemma fallacies which are comparing the sheading of the most innocent blood from the life within the womb to the justifiable killing of a murderer with asinine claims there is no biblical distinction between them.

Oh, there is something that is becoming “more and more evident” but it isn’t concerning any truth to your false dilemma attacks on Christians not being pro-life who are anti-abortion, it is more in line with the spiritual condition, the motives and biblical ignorance of you their accuser!

Still, if I thought there was any hope of you being interested in reasoning for the truth I might take the time to address your reasoning and Biblically correct you, but you don’t fool me Zaac.

Talk about "disgusting"!...

You say tomato, I say tomatoe ... you say "disgusting" and I say "disheartening!" I don't understand how he gets away with questioning the salvation and relationship that members have with Jesus based on our being conservative?

That was an outstanding observation, Benjamin.
 

Zaac

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For every finger of accusation you point in my direction, you have three remaining on your hand pointing right back at you. If I am a bigot declaring false witness against "that man" what does that make you? Your response is shameful, Zaac, and it does not adequately answer my accusations, it amounts to little more than an angry, hateful rant against facts that I provided.

Oh so it's accusations and not questions. Well that's not worth the time of day. You just admitted that you're just running around saying stuff with no basis in the truth. That's what's shameful. But you are consistent.

Show me how Obama wasn't involved in, and didn't have a hand in and input into the transgender use of the restrooms and showers of the gender they IDENTIFY with?

You salivate with bigotry in your accusations. There was a move in darn near every state for this just as there had been with same sex marriage.

Arizona
A bathroom bill was introduced in Arizona, but it failed to pass after it was withdrawn by its sponsor, John Kavanagh, in 2013.

Nevada
On March 19, 2015, Victoria Dooling, a Nevada state representative, proposed a bathroom bill that would apply to public schoolchildren in the state. It later died in committee.

North Carolina
Main article: Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act
On March 23, 2016, North Carolina Governor Pat McCrory signed into law the Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act, a bathroom bill that applies to students at North Carolina state schools, into law. The bill also overturns an anti-LGBT discrimination ordinance that had been passed by Charlotte, North Carolina, prevents local governments in the state from enacting similar ordinances, and prevents cities from raising their minimum wages higher than that of the state.

South Dakota
Main article: South Dakota House Bill 1008
On February 16, 2016, the South Dakota Senate voted 20-15 to approve a bathroom bill that, had it passed, would have been the first in the country to require public schoolchildren to use facilities that match the sex they were assigned at birth. On March 1, 2016, the governor of South Dakota, Dennis Daugaard, vetoed the bill.

Tennessee
On April 6, 2016, the Tennessee House Education Administration and Planning Committee, which is part of the Tennessee House of Representatives, passed a bathroom bill applying to public schools and colleges in the state; it must be heard by another House committee before the full House will hear it.

Texas
Two bills were filed in early 2015 by state representative Debbie Riddle, that would have made it a crime to enter a public restroom or locker room not designated for a person's sex assigned at birth. Two more were filed by freshman state representative Gilbert Peña that would permit a bystander to sue a transgender person who used a prohibited bathroom for up to $2,000 USD, in addition to being eligible for compensation for "mental anguish." Neither bill was voted on for consideration.

Wisconsin
In November 2015, Wisconsin held a hearing on a bathroom bill that would make the state the first in the country to require public schoolchildren to use facilities that match the sex they were assigned at birth. According to critics, the bill would also violate the federal government's Office for Civil Rights's 2014 statement that federal nondiscrimination law covered gender identity. The following month, the bill was revised to allow public schools to offer gender-neutral bathrooms.

Show me where the President had any involvement in the push for these bills? Bigoted accusation #1 shot down.
Show me where Obama didn't CHAMPION the cause for gay marriages?
On June 26, 2015 when the
United States Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges that state-level bans on same-sex marriage are unconstitutional. Take your bigotry up with the Supreme Court.

Accusation #2 dismissed.

Show me where he didn't PROMISE Americans that they could keep their doctor if they liked their doctor?

Gosh one would think the radical right picked that out all by itself if one didn't know that it came from the Fox News mothership and it's lineup of talk tv minions.

But he's owned that foolishness.


Or where he did promise Americans that their insurance would cost less than what they were paying upon the implementation of Obamcare?

Easy. When he didn't promise it to ALL Americans.

Show me where Obama hasn't been behind the stripping down of our military?

Another easy one. When a Republican led Congress approved the cuts.
Facts are what you always lack.

Man hush. You've presented one factual comment in that litany of pure foolishness.

And in place of facts come snarky comments, judgement, insults and worse yet, you continue to insinuate that others on this board may not be saved and following the Lord because we lean in a different direction then you.

Sounds like you're speaking of your habits.
 

Aaron

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Again, no He doesn't and it's beyond disgusting the way some of you keep trying to justify murdering adults while pretending to express horror about the same government giving the okay to kill the unborn.

Do you even see what you're doing? You're saying that God values that unborn life more than HE does the born life.

The Bible doesn't mention abortion. It's a political issue. The only defense Christians have for being against it is that God said thou shall not murder. Yet it is obvious that you aren't pro-life at all.


He doesn't draw a distinction. If HE did, the thief on the Cross wouldn't be with Him today.
If HE did, HE would not have interfered with the crowd getting ready to stone the lady.

You're claiming a distinction that does not exist. And more and more it becomes more evident that the anti-abortion crowd isn't pro-life after all.



Your words and deeds are denying Him, as are the words and deeds of any Christian who hypocritically advocates for capital punishment while claiming to be pro-life. So looks like you're in the same club that you're pointing at them about.



You do realize that I don't give a flying hoot about what the Democrat or Republican parties do? I'm talking about what GOD has called His people to do. And His " people" seem to be as caught up in doing the wrong things and advocating the wrong things because of politics just as they did before His death.



Again, I don't care what party you think has destroyed the black community. My priority is God's Community. What are you doing to destroy people's chances of being a part of that community by being a brandisher of this Christian hypocrisy?



I don't care what the black American authors say either. What does GOD say as you continue to hypocritically turn people away from Him just because you want to win the "your sin is the worst of the worst" argument?


YOU failed them by focusing on your politics and hypocrisy rather than pointing folks to Christ and discipling them and teaching them to obey everything HE commands?

Society is the way it is because folks like you who say you are a Christian spend much more time waving your hypocrisy (that you're to darn prideful to even recognize as hypocrisy) around.
It is evident from this post that you are pro-abortion. When you marginalize the mutilation of innocents as a political issue, and make justice done upon the guilty the crime, you are calling evil good, and good evil, and you accuse God of unrighteousness.

But, you know this. You know it, and you do it anyway. Do you think anyone here can't see through the specious mask of concern for souls?

. . . anyone except the moderators, that is . . .

You glorify Sodom and ridicule Christ's body over and over and over. Who do you think you are to lay anything at all to the charge of God's elect? There is one who is called the accuser of the brethren, and there is One who said that people do the works of their fathers. You're treading on thin ice.

So, for what it's worth, I'm calling you out. You are pro-abortion and pro-Sodom, and every "anti" that that implies. I see it, even if the moderators can't . . . BUT . . .

If your continued presence on the board allows me to raise my sword against Sodom in the open forums,* then I'm happy to engage you over, and over and over.

I wait with eager anticipation to see the twisted conglomeration of words you spin in response. Going to get some popcorn . . .

*Because those who understand the times know that is where the battle is, and keeping the discussion of sexuality out of the open forums doesn't really protect youngsters. They are bombarded daily with the perversions, and prohibited here from learning the truth and gaining the tools to fight them.
 

righteousdude2

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Oh so it's accusations and not questions. Well that's not worth the time of day. You just admitted that you're just running around saying stuff with no basis in the truth. That's what's shameful. But you are consistent.



You salivate with bigotry in your accusations. There was a move in darn near every state for this just as there had been with same sex marriage.



Show me where the President had any involvement in the push for these bills? Bigoted accusation #1 shot down.
On June 26, 2015 when the
United States Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges that state-level bans on same-sex marriage are unconstitutional. Take your bigotry up with the Supreme Court.

Accusation #2 dismissed.



Gosh one would think the radical right picked that out all by itself if one didn't know that it came from the Fox News mothership and it's lineup of talk tv minions.

But he's owned that foolishness.




Easy. When he didn't promise it to ALL Americans.



Another easy one. When a Republican led Congress approved the cuts.


Man hush. You've presented one factual comment in that litany of pure foolishness.



Sounds like you're speaking of your habits.

Borrowing a phrase from Reagan: "There you troll (maybe it is 'go') again!"
 

Zaac

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Wow!! That is the sickest, irrational, most unbiblical reasoning I think I have ever seen allowed on this board!

Naah. It's much more disgusting how folks who have been shown mercy don't advocate it for others. THAT is disgusting.

And it is disgusting how you are allowed to conclude with accusations on Christians supported with nothing

Again, save the hypocrisy. You didn't address the Christian concluding with accusations on Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

the more than blatantly ignorant question begging backed false dilemma fallacies

Save your dimestore philosophy excuses. They carry no weight in the face of God's truth.

which are comparing the sheading of the most innocent blood from the life within the womb to the justifiable killing of a murderer with asinine claims there is no biblical distinction between them.

And again, you sound like many of the completely asinine if you think God who does not author confusion is against the taking of one life and for the taking of another after what transpired on The Cross.

Justifiable killing of a murderer? In accordance with Scripture, you and I are guilty of breaking every one of God's Commandments.I'm a murderer. You're a murderer too. Yet Christ on the Cross has extended His grace and mercy to us and kept us from death and an eternal lake of fire that separates from Him.

How dare you or anyone else calling themselves a follower of Christ advocate death for someone when Scripture says you're just as guilty of breaking the same law? The hypocrisy stinks right up to the nose of Christ.

10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.


12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. James 2:10-13


Is YOUR sin not worthy of death?

Oh, there is something that is becoming “more and more evident” but it isn’t concerning any truth to your false dilemma attacks on Christians not being pro-life who are anti-abortion, it is more in line with the spiritual condition, the motives and biblical ignorance of you their accuser!

The only thing becoming more and more evident is the continued blinding by politics of a lot of folks who call themselves Christians.

So answer the questions oh ye who dares speak of false attacks and my spiritual condition. Is YOUR sin not worthy of YOUR death? Why are you STILL alive? Why do you think YOUR sin makes YOU any less deserving of death than the one you say is justifiably murdered?

Still, if I thought there was any hope of you being interested in reasoning for the truth I might take the time to address your reasoning and Biblically correct you, but you don’t fool me Zaac.

I don't have to reason with you for a truth the word of God has already given and examples again and again, most noticeably, with The Cross.

You couldn't BIBLICALLY correct the truth delivered from God if you tried. It is YOU and those like you who continue in this foolish hypocritical confusion not created of God who shouldn't fool anyone.

And perhaps this unrepentant wickedness that the likes of you and yours continue to try and justify is a primary reason why GOD continues to slap the arrogant disobedience of you and yours around by continuing to give you one wicked leader after another. So don't try to attach your wicked hypocrisy of being against the government killing babies while you advocate the same wicked government killing adults.

Shall God in heaven continue to confound the wickedness of your politics that you arrogantly try to equate to His word.

Talk about "disgusting"!...

I know. You could have kept your mouth closed and not put on full display the depths of your wicked hypocritical arrogance against God's word.
 

InTheLight

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Trump may have said in a weak understanding of theological issues that he doesn’t regularly ask for forgiveness
He has said that he has never asked God for forgiveness and if he does he hopes it won't be for much.

when he goes to church he does asks for forgiveness during communion and does this as often as possible.

Baloney. He says “When I drink my little wine — which is about the only wine I drink — and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness, and I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed,”

And he does this so often that he didn't recognize the bread dish and thinking it was the offering plate put money in it.

Donald Trump accidentally put money in the Communion plate at a church in Iowa
http://wapo.st/1SxJwL8

Certainly not enough information for me to claim to know his heart and to judge it.

He's never asked God for forgiveness and doesn't know what a communion tray looks like. That's not enough? The amount of energy that Christians expend rationalizing their vote for Trump is breathtaking.



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Aaron

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I'm against the legalizing of the killing of babies by the government and also the killing of adults by the government.
Yes, we're all aware of the doublespeak. It's a classic Socialist device, selling slavery cloaked in piety and philanthropy. Its a bunch [edited].

Go belch your subterfuge some place else.
 

InTheLight

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You're saying that disqualifies him from office? You brought it up talking about votes.
I did? You might want to try Hooked on Phonics. It's supposed to help with reading comprehension.

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Zaac

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I did? You might want to try Hooked on Phonics. It's supposed to help with reading comprehension.

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Benjamin

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I don't have to reason with you for a truth...

Yes, not surprised at your lack of interest in it.

(Pro 13:16) Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

(Pro 10:23) It is as sport to a fool to do mischief: but a man of understanding hath wisdom.
 

Benjamin

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Zaac, your very obvious and telling obsession with defending the evil Democratic Party and its devil of a Presidential candidate, godless Hillary, along with continually attacking the conservatives of the Republican Party is rooted in pure wickedness.

You should know that your clearly observable and spiritually unprofitable itinerary of defending what you perceive is the superior moral understanding of worldly values is not well hidden behind your disingenuous denials of not having this preoccupation of trying to support radical left-wing liberalism.

You need to learn to trust Jesus and cease this mania driven, wickedly dishonorable agenda of going about this as if it were not the case while in your deceit, which you will be judged for.

Trump is going to win the Presidency and you will be dangerously bound to idolatry in worshipping a martyred Party and its failed leader for years to come, all because of your fear of Trump.

Perhaps, it is time that you should heed the words of the arguments from your agenda’s co-conspirators and yourself about "reassurance" concerning complaints that the world would greatly suffer under Obama’s leadership and although this is in most part is true, it, as you said is also true that "we in fact have survived", so take your own advice and stop putting your hope in the losing Radical Left-Wing Party and start putting your hope in Jesus. You might feel better.

Disclaimer: The above rhetorical arguments, which are an example of the bulk of Zaac’s ad nauseum “debate” practices on the board, are not meant to have any supported truth value other than to display that reversing his arguments demonstrates how absurd his perception of himself trying to mock Christian' discernment is.
 

Benjamin

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He's never asked God for forgiveness and doesn't know what a communion tray looks like. That's not enough? The amount of energy that Christians expend rationalizing their vote for Trump is breathtaking.

Well, it seems then very clear that you have everything you need to know his heart so who am I to dare to question
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InTheLight

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Zaac, your very obvious and telling obsession with defending the evil Democratic Party and its devil of a Presidential candidate, godless Hillary, along with continually attacking the conservatives of the Republican Party is rooted in pure wickedness.

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Disclaimer: The above rhetorical arguments, which are an example of the bulk of Zaac’s ad nauseum “debate” practices on the board, are not meant to have any supported truth value other than to display that reversing his arguments demonstrates how absurd his perception of himself trying to mock Christian' discernment is.

You're one of the many on BB that have a visceral reaction to Zaac's posts. I was like that once, too. If you (and others) would bother to read what he says in entirety instead of immediately reacting to portions of what you read, you will see that he doesn't defend the Democrats or Republicans. He's an equal opportunity critic. I can relate to this because I'm somewhat the same. There is plenty of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle (though there is more on the Dems side) and whenever anyone, me included, point out the flaws on the right, we get attacked and labeled as being liberals.

Another thing that we both do, and it drives people here crazy, is we point out flaws in arguments used against the left. Benjamin, I would think you of all people, someone that understands logic and poor arguments would realize this. So when Zaac and I point out the garbage tactics that Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al use to make their "arguments" we get roundly booed. There's no discussion if we bring up Slate, MSNBC, or Huffington Post's lazy reporting and smear tactics, they are well understood by people here. It seems that people on BB find it inconceivable that the right would use the same tactics. Well, they do.
 

Aaron

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You're one of the many on BB that have a visceral reaction to Zaac's posts. I was like that once, too. If you (and others) would bother to read what he says in entirety instead of immediately reacting to portions of what you read, you will see that he doesn't defend the Democrats or Republicans. He's an equal opportunity critic. I can relate to this because I'm somewhat the same. There is plenty of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle (though there is more on the Dems side) and whenever anyone, me included, point out the flaws on the right, we get attacked and labeled as being liberals.

Another thing that we both do, and it drives people here crazy, is we point out flaws in arguments used against the left. Benjamin, I would think you of all people, someone that understands logic and poor arguments would realize this. So when Zaac and I point out the garbage tactics that Faux News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, et al use to make their "arguments" we get roundly booed. There's no discussion if we bring up Slate, MSNBC, or Huffington Post's lazy reporting and smear tactics, they are well understood by people here. It seems that people on BB find it inconceivable that the right would use the same tactics. Well, they do.
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