Sovereignty of God in the Conversion of Saul

[The Archangel]

What are you in it for, the opportunity to misrepresent, judge hearts and attack?

Pot. Kettle........never mind.

If you had not engaged in the very things that you are accusing glf of doing, one might be persuaded. As it is, and since you are well-known for doing exactly what you are resenting what you perceive glf for doing, your question is seen, not as a legitimate question, but as the question of a self-styled martyr.

Unfortunate.

The Archangel

 

[webdog]

Trolls hunt down people on other threads to pad their post count. Is that you? :love2:

No, if you might recall I was already involved in this thread to begin with. Are you depicting a self portrait?

 

[Skandelon]

It is as I thought... You are in this for the argument.

So, if someone disagrees, corrects or in any way points out how you have misrepresented their view, then they will be dismissed as a troll or too argumentative and thusly ignored? I suspect if you actually applied that standard in all your interactions you would have little discourse with anyone except yourself. Enjoy your time here on the aptly titled "Baptist DEBATE Forums." :laugh:

 

[webdog]

Pot. Kettle........never mind.

If you had not engaged in the very things that you are accusing glf of doing, one might be persuaded. As it is, and since you are well-known for doing exactly what you are resenting what you perceive glf for doing, your question is seen, not as a legitimate question, but as the question of a self-styled martyr.

Unfortunate.

The Archangel

Seriously...you don't believe you have room to talk, do you?

 

[Skandelon]

How about we get back to the topic of the thread?

1. How do Calvinists affirm Apostolic Authority while attempting to claim that all believers have been saved in the same manner as Paul (effectually)?

2. Doesn't the uniqueness of God's divine intervention in Paul's life mean anything, or is this meant to be seen as a typical way in which God brings every individual to salvation?

3. Do Calvinists undermine Paul's authority as an Apostle by suggesting that those who believe through his message were saved and called by the same effectual means?

 

[The Archangel]

Seriously...you don't believe you have room to talk, do you?

Whether I do or not, you have no room to even ask the question.

finis

The Archangel

 

[Robert Snow]

Trolls hunt down people on other threads to pad their post count. Is that you? :love2:

Spoken by someone who has over 1200 posts and hasn't been a member for 6 months. How hypocritical!

 

[Luke2427]

Seriously...you don't believe you have room to talk, do you?

Yea, he does. Archangel conducts himself far better than you on here- and better than me, for that matter.

But once again, though a THOUSAND people were to point out your problems- you are oblivious.

I submit EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever debated you in a heated manner to any degree will agree with Archangel, glfredrick, myself and others who I will do them the courtesy of not naming that you have some serious problems debating people who defeat you.

 

[Luke2427]

Spoken by someone who has over 1200 posts and hasn't been a member for 6 months. How hypocritical!

A fun study would be to peruse your posts and see how many times you call someone a hypocrite or a heretic- the results would be very amusing for any one willing to do the work.

You and webdog are cut out of the same cloth, it seems to me. You are just an older version, I suppose.

 

[Luke2427]

Didn't you say they could hear sound but not understand the language? If so, what I said is not what you said.

Oh, my bad. In that case, you are wrong. The language is referring to the message not the identity of the messenger.

 

[Skandelon]

How about we get back to the topic of the thread?

1. How do Calvinists affirm Apostolic Authority while attempting to claim that all believers have been saved in the same manner as Paul (effectually)?

2. Doesn't the uniqueness of God's divine intervention in Paul's life mean anything, or is this meant to be seen as a typical way in which God brings every individual to salvation?

3. Do Calvinists undermine Paul's authority as an Apostle by suggesting that those who believe through his message were saved and called by the same effectual means?

Now that you boys have finished trying to one up each other, can we get back to discussing theology and the OP of this thread?

 

[Luke2427]

How about we get back to the topic of the thread?

1. How do Calvinists affirm Apostolic Authority while attempting to claim that all believers have been saved in the same manner as Paul (effectually)?

This has already been addressed. Why do you keep bringing it up?

NNE is saying that God saves everybody in the same manner as he saved Saul. No one is arguing that God saves everybody by knocking them to the ground and blinding them with a light. That was the means whereby God chose to make Saul willing.

God made you willing another way. He made me willing another way.

The only point is that God saves by making people willing.

2. Doesn't the uniqueness of God's divine intervention in Paul's life mean anything, or is this meant to be seen as a typical way in which God brings every individual to salvation?

Already answered.

3. Do Calvinists undermine Paul's authority as an Apostle by suggesting that those who believe through his message were saved and called by the same effectual means?

Same question and already answered.

 

[percho]

I suppose we have an accord then on baptistboard concerning the Sovereignty of God in the salvation of Saul.

Great!

You have my yes vote. I don't think he could have said no Lord.

 

[percho]

This has already been addressed. Why do you keep bringing it up?

NNE is saying that God saves everybody in the same manner as he saved Saul. No one is arguing that God saves everybody by knocking them to the ground and blinding them with a light. That was the means whereby God chose to make Saul willing.

God made you willing another way. He made me willing another way.

The only point is that God saves by making people willing.



Already answered.



Same question and already answered.

I think called would be better here than willing. I'm not sure God does something to make us to want to be saved. Help me out if I'm wrong.
I was thinking only of these verses, course we usually think of the ones for our purpose,

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

I don't see anything concerning our will here.

 

[Robert Snow]

Yea, he does. Archangel conducts himself far better than you on here- and better than me, for that matter.

Wow, you stand up for a fellow Calvinists, how bold!

But once again, though a THOUSAND people were to point out your problems- you are oblivious.

Webdog points out the gross error of Calvinism; you seem to be the oblivious one.

I submit EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever debated you in a heated manner to any degree will agree with Archangel, glfredrick, myself and others who I will do them the courtesy of not naming that you have some serious problems debating people who defeat you.

I guess you are as pure as the driven snow, right?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wow, you stand up for a fellow Calvinists, how bold!



Webdog points out the gross error of Calvinism; you seem to be the oblivious one.



I guess you are as pure as the driven snow, right?

See Im OK with just drawing the line here. Anytime it's going to lead to a fight then dont respond....its pointless.
Doctrine divides, well so be it. I have to keep comments like "the Gross error of Calvinism" as motivator. That's God's reminder to me that I am to go to a Calvinist Church, raise my family as Calvinist, associate only with Calvinist with my friendships, and read only Calvinist books. Praise god for putting people like you in my path....to strengthen my convictions to Reformed Theology.

 

[Robert Snow]

Praise god for putting people like you in my path....to strengthen my convictions to Reformed Theology.

Likewise, the Calvinists I meet show me that many will read into the scripture things that strengthen their erroneous view, while leaving out verses that condemn their view. The same thing applies to all false beliefs and errors in theology, regardless of whether or not the adherents are Christians or not.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Likewise, the Calvinists I meet show me that many will read into the scripture things that strengthen their erroneous view, while leaving out verses that condemn their view. The same thing applies to all false beliefs and errors in theology, regardless of whether or not the adherents are Christians or not.

Splendid...so I have a solution. you go to your church & I will go to mine. No interaction need take place. As far as Im concerned you are anathema to me. I wouldnt even have my kids ....well you know where Im going with this.

 

[Rippon]

Likewise, the Calvinists I meet show me that many will read into the scripture things that strengthen their erroneous view, while leaving out verses that condemn their view.

I guess you intended otherwise,but the above looks like the Calvinists have shown you how many folks read things into Scripture in order to strengthen their erroneous view and yet leave verses out which condemn their view.

I seriously doubt that Calvinists are telling you that other Calvinists are doing the "bad things" you described.

The same thing applies to all false beliefs and errors in theology, regardless of whether or not the adherents are Christians or not.

Careful there Bobbie,you don't want to imply that Calvinists aren't Christians do you?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If it was good enough for warfield, it's good enough for me. And all the Calvinist said