The kingdom of God had come unto them in the person of Jesus, and his apostles also were part of the kingdom spreading outward, for when a sinner is saved, it is increased, but the main developement of that will be from God at the Second Coming!
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Spiritual Interpretation....part two
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They did have prophecies and dreams, and sign gifts..
It says...this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel...it does not say
This is part of that
OR this is almost like that....
Or this is the first part of a double fulfillment, the rest will come 2000 years later...
THIS IS THAT.
In rev20....1000yrs is mentioned 6 times
Where does it say Jesus is on earth in a rebuilt temple?
The actual second coming is the last day.
I did not mention rebuilt temple though, and Jesus is here among those who survived the great Tribulation event!
In your understanding then...
In your scenerio....where does Jesus rule from?
Where does it say that those who reign with Jesus are physically here on earth?
Give me one verse that says this....because I say the rule and reign is from heaven...Hebrews12:25-29
So....there is not going to be a rebuilt physical temple? Where does Jesus sit on David's throne?
From Joel 2 and Acts 2, 8 specific points:
1. "I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh" was literally fulfilled. The Holy Spirit came down and empowered the believers (Acts 1:4)
2. "and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." The did so (prophecy can be either proclamation or prediction, and this was proclamation), and 3,000 got saved. Concerning the visions and dreams, later we have Peter's vision of the sheet and Paul's Macedonian vision.
3. "And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood"--The blood of Christ was an incredible sign.
4. "fire"--the tongues of fire in v. 3.
5. "vapour of smoke"--Don't know, but I believe it was fulfilled literally due to my presupposition.
6. "The sun shall be turned into darkness." Fulfilled while Christ was on the cross in Luke 23:45.
7. "the moon into blood." Don't know when, but so many other things were fulfilled literally that I believe this was too. A blood moon goes along with an eclipse.
8. "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."--Thousands were saved.
Jesus returns at His second coming, those those who died in Him for their faith in Great tribulation rule with him 1000 years...
Revelation 20:6
Big difference is that I see terms like shaking the Heavens and events in sky as literal/physical things, not spiritualized to be AD 70, or God destroying Judaism and temple as those others might
Thanks for your reply and standing by what you believe. We are only to agree in part, nevertheless I respect what you have done in kingdom service as God has been very gracious to you.
The kingdom of his dear Son (1.13) is the inheritance of the saints in light (1.12). Furthermore, the kingdom they will inherit was prepared for them from the foundation of the world (Mt. 25.34). We are citizens of that (future) kingdom even now, but the kingdom is when the will of the Father is done in earth as it is in heaven (Mt. 6.10). Jesus prayed for the coming of the kingdom and taught his disciples to do likewise. He has received the kingdom, but he has not yet returned in that kingdom (Lk. 19.12,15).
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; -2 Tim. 4.1
His appearing and his kingdom are concomitant events. You asked, "What is the kingdom of his dear Son?" I am glad we are not left to guess. The angel Gabriel very clearly defined it for us:
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. -Lk. 1.32, 33
The church is not the kingdom. Therefore, there is not a one-to-one correspondence between being baptized into the body of Christ and entering the kingdom. The former is a prerequisite to the latter, both in purpose and in time.
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. -Rev. 5.10
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: -2 Tim. 2.12a
The problem with your view of the kingdom is that you never actually reign except in some spiritual way "in Christ."
According to the prophecy, the signs and wonders will occur before the great and notable day of Lord. Therefore, there is no reason to search for the fulfillment of them at that time as the great and notable day of the Lord has not yet come. If we are to always spiritualize such glorious language and understand it in a figurative way, I would be interested in your interpretation of 2 Pe. 3.10-13.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
I believe this will happen just as it is written, and that it will be preceded by the signs and wonders Joel prophesied after God pours out His spirit on all flesh. What happened on the day of Pentecost was just anticipatory of what Joel prophesied. I invite you to examine the context of Joel 2-3 because those Jews had access to the prophet Joel, not the Acts of the Apostles!
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. -Joel 3.13 (cf. Rev. 14. 15, 18)
It says it in Rev. 20.7-9:
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
This is taking place on earth, not heaven. The beloved city is none other than Jerusalem. This is after the thousand years, and the nations, deceived by Satan, will attempt to do what they did a thousand years earlier (Zec. 14).
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
I believe this will happen just as it is written, and that it will be preceded by the signs and wonders Joel prophesied after God pours out His spirit on all flesh. What happened on the day of Pentecost was just anticipatory of what Joel prophesied. I invite you to examine the context of Joel 2-3 because those Jews had access to the prophet Joel, not the Acts of the Apostles!
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. -Joel 3.13 (cf. Rev. 14. 15, 18)
It says it in Rev. 20.7-9:
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
This is taking place on earth, not heaven. The beloved city is none other than Jerusalem. This is after the thousand years, and the nations, deceived by Satan, will attempt to do what they did a thousand years earlier (Zec. 14).
PrmtvBptst1832,
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
I never said it was......
The former is a prerequisite to the latter, both in purpose and in time.
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Sorry...the sheep and goat judgment is the last day....
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
We agree that we are kingdom citizens...you think future, I think now and future.
The Kingdom comes as the gospel spreads
This is the consummation, not the beginning
He does reign right now...in the midst of His enemies
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I never said it was......
We enter the Kingdom by regeneration, jn3
The former is a prerequisite to the latter, both in purpose and in time.
yes we do...
yes..we do
We do..yes...Lk17:20-21
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PrmtvBptst1832,
There were many days of the Lord. They were judgments...
I offered this to JOJ....here;
Well...let's reopen the case....you mention Joel 2-3....I believe the symbolic language was literally fulfilled when Peter declared this is that which was spoken by Joel.
I do not think it was any kind of scientific literal fulfillment....eclipses and such.....It was a literal change of the rule and reign in Israel and among believers. The same language was already used by God describing the judgement on Babylon in Isa13......notice...in ver .8 they shall be in pain as a woman in travail....sounds like mt24....it was a judgment a day of the Lord.
Notice from verse 10-13.....stars ,sun ,moon, shaking of the earth.
The same with the language in Isa34 in the judgement of Edom.
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
The Heavens Rolled Up as A scroll?
The Stars Falling? Did that happen literally, or was there a literal change in who controls Babylon?
The same exact language is used in Revelation.....
Rev6;
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the
Now PB1832....was the heaven rolling up like a scroll in Isa 34...the end of the world?
explain how you are consistent in your teaching where you do not explain away the language.
This could be The last day, just as it is written, and yet John owen and others see it as being fulfilled now in a more figurative way....I cannot quite get there yet...
John Owen On the New Heaven and New Earth-Preterism, new heaven and new earth, and eschatology and Preterist soteriology; Preterism and Preterist eschatology, rapture and prophecy from a preterist perspective
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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There were many days of the Lord. They were judgments...
PB1832- the same language is used in the Ot....Don't you think we should use scripture to interpret scripture....
I offered this to JOJ....here;
Well...let's reopen the case....you mention Joel 2-3....I believe the symbolic language was literally fulfilled when Peter declared this is that which was spoken by Joel.
I do not think it was any kind of scientific literal fulfillment....eclipses and such.....It was a literal change of the rule and reign in Israel and among believers. The same language was already used by God describing the judgement on Babylon in Isa13......notice...in ver .8 they shall be in pain as a woman in travail....sounds like mt24....it was a judgment a day of the Lord.
Notice from verse 10-13.....stars ,sun ,moon, shaking of the earth.
The same with the language in Isa34 in the judgement of Edom.
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
The Heavens Rolled Up as A scroll?
The Stars Falling? Did that happen literally, or was there a literal change in who controls Babylon?
The same exact language is used in Revelation.....
Rev6;
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the
Now PB1832....was the heaven rolling up like a scroll in Isa 34...the end of the world?
explain how you are consistent in your teaching where you do not explain away the language.
This could be The last day, just as it is written, and yet John owen and others see it as being fulfilled now in a more figurative way....I cannot quite get there yet...
John Owen On the New Heaven and New Earth-Preterism, new heaven and new earth, and eschatology and Preterist soteriology; Preterism and Preterist eschatology, rapture and prophecy from a preterist perspective
peter did not share your view...he said;
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Yes Joel 3 is part of the fulfillment if you understand it is Speaking of the heavenly Zion and Jerusalem...much of Rev was fulfilled by 70 ad.
This is true in all the systems
David Chilton writes this in Days of Vengeance;
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that Israel’s time has run out: The stars fell to the earth,as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind (Job 9:7; 13ccl. 12:2; lsa. 13:10; 34:4; Ezek.32:8; Dan. 8:10; Joel 2:10; 3:15); the great wind, of course, was brought by the Four Horsemen, who in Zechariah’s original imagery were the Four Winds
(Zech. 6:5), and who will be reintroduced to St. John in that form in 7:1; and the fig tree is Israel herself (Matt. 21:19; 24:32-34; Luke 21:29-32). Fifth, Israel now simply disappears:
The heaven vanished like a scroll when it is rolled up21 (Isa. 34:4; 51:6; Ps. 102:25- 26; on the symbolism of Israel as “heaven,” see Isa. 51:15-16; Jer. 4:23-31; cf. Heb 12:26-27).
Sixth, the Gentile powers are shaken as well: Every mountain and island were moved out of their places (Job 9:5-6; 14:18-19; 28:9-11; Isa. 41:5, 15-16; Ezek. 38:20; Nab.1:4-8; Zeph. 2:11).22 God’s “old creation,” Israel, is thus
to be de-created, as the Kingdom is transferred to the Church, the New Creation (cf. 2 Pet. 3:7-14). Because the rulers in God’s Vineyard have killed His Son, they too will be killed (Matt. 21:33-45). The Vineyard itself
will be broken down, destroyed, and laid waste (Isa.5:1-7). In God’s righteous destruction of Israel, He will shake even heaven and earth (Matt. 24:29-30; Heb. 12:26-28) in order to deliver His Kingdom over to His
new nation, the Church. 15-17 Old Testament prophetic imagery is still in view as St. John here describes the apostates under judgment. This is the seventh phase of de-creation: thedestruction of men. But this seventh item in the list opens up to reveal another “seven” within it (just as the
Seventh Seal and Seventh Trumpet each contains the next set of seven judgments), for seven classes of men are named here, showing that the destruction is total, affecting small and great alike: the kings of the earth
and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man. None will be able to escape, regardless of either privileged status or insignificance.
The whole Land has rejected Christ, and the whole Land is being excommunicated.
Again, the parallels show that the judgment upon Israel is intended by this prophecy (cf. Isa. 2 and 24-27), although other nations (“the kings of the earth”) will be affected as well.
As the earth is de-created, and the mediating natural revelation is removed – placing sinners face-to-face with the bare revelation of the holy and righteous God– the men of Israel attempt to flee and to seekprotection in anything that might seem to offer refuge.
Flight underground and into caves is a sign of being under a curse (cf. Gen. 19:30-38). Thus they hid themselves (cf. Gen. 3:8) in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains (the lex talionis for their mistreatment of the righteous: Heb. 11:38; cf. Jud.7:25),23 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks: Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of His wrath has come;24 and (Nab. 1:6; Mal. 3:2) who is able to stand?
The interpretation given here is again confirmed: This passage is not speaking of the End of the World, but of the End of Israel in A.D. 70. The origin of the symbolism used here is in the prophecy of Hosea against Israel:
Ephraim will be seized with shame,
And Israel will be ashamed of its own counsel.
Samaria will be cut off with her king,
Like a stick on the surface of the water.
Also, the high places of Aven, the sin of Israel,
will be destroyed;
Thorn and thistle will grow on their altars.
Then they will say to the mountains: Cover us!
And to the hills: Fall on us! (Hos. 10:6-8)
Jesus cited this text on His way to the crucifixion,
stating that it would be fulfilled upon idolatrous Israel
within the lifetimes of those who were then present:
And there were following Him a great multitude of the
people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting
Him. But Jesus turning to them said, Daughters of Jerusalem,
stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your
children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say:
Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and
the breasts that never nursed. Then they will begin to say to
the mountains: Fall on us! and to the hills: Cover us! (Luke
23:27-30)
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that Israel’s time has run out: The stars fell to the earth,as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind (Job 9:7; 13ccl. 12:2; lsa. 13:10; 34:4; Ezek.32:8; Dan. 8:10; Joel 2:10; 3:15); the great wind, of course, was brought by the Four Horsemen, who in Zechariah’s original imagery were the Four Winds
(Zech. 6:5), and who will be reintroduced to St. John in that form in 7:1; and the fig tree is Israel herself (Matt. 21:19; 24:32-34; Luke 21:29-32). Fifth, Israel now simply disappears:
The heaven vanished like a scroll when it is rolled up21 (Isa. 34:4; 51:6; Ps. 102:25- 26; on the symbolism of Israel as “heaven,” see Isa. 51:15-16; Jer. 4:23-31; cf. Heb 12:26-27).
Sixth, the Gentile powers are shaken as well: Every mountain and island were moved out of their places (Job 9:5-6; 14:18-19; 28:9-11; Isa. 41:5, 15-16; Ezek. 38:20; Nab.1:4-8; Zeph. 2:11).22 God’s “old creation,” Israel, is thus
to be de-created, as the Kingdom is transferred to the Church, the New Creation (cf. 2 Pet. 3:7-14). Because the rulers in God’s Vineyard have killed His Son, they too will be killed (Matt. 21:33-45). The Vineyard itself
will be broken down, destroyed, and laid waste (Isa.5:1-7). In God’s righteous destruction of Israel, He will shake even heaven and earth (Matt. 24:29-30; Heb. 12:26-28) in order to deliver His Kingdom over to His
new nation, the Church. 15-17 Old Testament prophetic imagery is still in view as St. John here describes the apostates under judgment. This is the seventh phase of de-creation: thedestruction of men. But this seventh item in the list opens up to reveal another “seven” within it (just as the
Seventh Seal and Seventh Trumpet each contains the next set of seven judgments), for seven classes of men are named here, showing that the destruction is total, affecting small and great alike: the kings of the earth
and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man. None will be able to escape, regardless of either privileged status or insignificance.
The whole Land has rejected Christ, and the whole Land is being excommunicated.
Again, the parallels show that the judgment upon Israel is intended by this prophecy (cf. Isa. 2 and 24-27), although other nations (“the kings of the earth”) will be affected as well.
As the earth is de-created, and the mediating natural revelation is removed – placing sinners face-to-face with the bare revelation of the holy and righteous God– the men of Israel attempt to flee and to seekprotection in anything that might seem to offer refuge.
Flight underground and into caves is a sign of being under a curse (cf. Gen. 19:30-38). Thus they hid themselves (cf. Gen. 3:8) in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains (the lex talionis for their mistreatment of the righteous: Heb. 11:38; cf. Jud.7:25),23 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks: Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of His wrath has come;24 and (Nab. 1:6; Mal. 3:2) who is able to stand?
The interpretation given here is again confirmed: This passage is not speaking of the End of the World, but of the End of Israel in A.D. 70. The origin of the symbolism used here is in the prophecy of Hosea against Israel:
Ephraim will be seized with shame,
And Israel will be ashamed of its own counsel.
Samaria will be cut off with her king,
Like a stick on the surface of the water.
Also, the high places of Aven, the sin of Israel,
will be destroyed;
Thorn and thistle will grow on their altars.
Then they will say to the mountains: Cover us!
And to the hills: Fall on us! (Hos. 10:6-8)
Jesus cited this text on His way to the crucifixion,
stating that it would be fulfilled upon idolatrous Israel
within the lifetimes of those who were then present:
And there were following Him a great multitude of the
people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting
Him. But Jesus turning to them said, Daughters of Jerusalem,
stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your
children. For behold, the days are coming when they will say:
Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and
the breasts that never nursed. Then they will begin to say to
the mountains: Fall on us! and to the hills: Cover us! (Luke
23:27-30)
I have nothing further to add to this thread. Discussing eschatology with someone whose exegesis affords him or her the luxury of always claiming that scripture means something other than what it says is a waste of time as it is like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. May God bless your continued endeavor to search the scriptures and your application of them.
I understand.....I could not answer Chilton either....that is why it stands until someone can show he is off course.
If you cannot give a better account of the language aisa34 uses as it shows up inRev....what can you do but claim it is nailing jello to the wall?
If the heavens rolling up.like a scroll and the stars were falling from heaven I. The Ot....isa.joel,etc....we would not exist.
All premillennialism and it's followers are forced to ignore the language employed ,make like it does not exist....I understand.
I used to hold that belief system....but I could not answer any of these verses with that system...
Eclipse, blood moons, earthquakes.....do not get it done.
I did not like what I was reading at first....but I realized I could not or had not connected the pieces as David Chilton and other men had.
He may or may not be correct on some or all of his conclusions....but very few have tried to take this on.....it is quite a task indeed.
Thank you. God certainly has been gracious to me. I thank Him quite often for the privilege of serving Him.
How do you, then, consistently lay hold of the promise of new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness and claim it for yourself (2 Pe. 3.13)? Preterists in general are very selective and inconsistent in their interpretation of scripture because the coming of the Lord means one thing in one place and something else in another place. Thus we are left with no clear meaning as to what it really is, and it is thereby stripped of all significance. It is beyond dispute that the writers of the New Teatament had a definite conception of what the coming of the Lord was. It was not one among many "comings," but THE coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Russell masterfully demonstrated this fact in his book, and even Chilton eventually recognized this and ultimately denied any (future) coming of the Lord and resurrection of the dead. He simply took his system of interpretation to its logical conclusion.
I agree with you. One should ask, oneself. Has Philippians 3 been fulfilled in Paul.
Three days after Jesus called him on the road to Damascus, did Paul receive the Spirit of adoption, which was the guarantor that Philippians 3 would be fulfilled in him.
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. 21,22
2 Tim 4:1,8 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Is that not all the same appearing, coming, of Jesus? Has Paul received his crown of righteousness?
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