When Saul persecuted the Christians....Jesus asked Saul, why do you persecute me....connect the dots.
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Spiritual interpretation ....pt.7
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Who said that happens in 70 ad,,,? Try the last day when the Kingdom is completed and offered to the Father;
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet...
Maybe this will improve your failing memory
The Kingdom which is primarily spiritual, literally spreads worldwide, like the parable of the mustard seed.
The kingdom spreads by regeneration and conversion..... what happens internally inside the Saints becomes visible outwardly and manifests itself in society all the teaching in the Epistles indicates how would it was doing the doctrine with a live soberly and righteously this present world and whom we shine as lights and we see the work of the spirit changing the people and then as more people get saved it starts to affect the nation
True or false:
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Mt 5:18
True or false:
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace; Eph 2
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1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth are passed away; and the sea is no more. Rev 21
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To the disobedient Jews, true or false?:
19 And I will break the pride of your power: and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass; Lev 26
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. Dt 28
19 And I will break the pride of your power: and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass; Lev 26
23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. Dt 28
OK!... Now its my turn... I have watched this discussion from the sidelines and want to give my input... Some say on here that the Kingdom is Spiritual... It is!... Some say on here that the Kingdom is Literal... It is... It is also Militant... Some say that it is coming... And it is... All four are right... You are probably saying what is this brother talking about?... Some say well the Lord never set up a Kingdom one is coming both are true... The Ecclesia or the called out are the church... The church or as like to refer it as the Kingdom are made up of flesh and blood servants who serve their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, being now Spiritual within ( Christ in you the hope of Glory) being changed by the Holy Spirit... They have a new citizenship and it is in heaven... There are laws that govern those believers that meet in that assembly... In the Primitive Baptist Church, These are called The Articles Of Faith and they govern the Kingdom... The first one is The Lord God is One Lord... You want to see what the rest of them are you can go to any PB website.... To some of you its The Westminster Confession Of Faith but those are laws that govern churches... Still think you're not in a Kingdom?... Break one of those Kingdom laws and see what happens?... Israel did and look what happened to them?... We are governed individually and collectively... And as Iconoclast pointed out the Kingdom is growing every second , of every minute, of every hour, of everyday... That is why I am Amil and Historical Partial Preterist because try as you might YOU CANNOT IGNORE HISTORY!... Though some do... They seem to ignore in my book the bloodshed perpentrated by the enemies of God over the ages and his children trying to serve him... Hebrews 11 gives a good example of the trials and tribulations of those who had not received the promise yet. There is also a Kingdom coming when the Lord delivers his resurrected Saints to his Father in Glory... His people who will serve and praise him forever... Brother Glen
If these curses were not fulfilled by those who crucified Jesus....when else and who else could they be spoken of?
18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. Mt 28
I don't know how much plainer He could've said it.
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The epistle to the Ephesians was written before A.D. 70.
All authority has been given to Jesus. When will he hold and use this authority?
Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. -Rev. 11.17, 18
The dead have been judged? The prophets, saints, and all those who fear the name of the Lord God Almighty have been rewarded? Those who corrupt the earth have been destroyed?
Yes, of course they refer to the Jews, but the curses neither began nor ended in AD 70. Persecution of the Jews went on all through history and culminated in the Holocaust. There are still plenty of people (mostly Moslems) who would happily continue the oppression given the chance.
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So was this:
51 And behold, the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake; and the rocks were rent;
52 and the tombs were opened; and many bodies of the saints that had fallen asleep were raised;
53 and coming forth out of the tombs after his resurrection they entered into the holy city and appeared unto many. Mt 27
You and Martin have 70 AD on the brain.
Zactly. Good 'connection' Icon.
Foretold in Revelation, i.e., curses of Lev 26 & Dt 28:
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest, and the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her utterly with fire. Rev 17
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"It is not for you to know times or seasons, which the Father hath set within His own authority"
When were you glorified?:
29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:
30 and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Ro 8
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I like Alfred Edersheim on this (no doubt he had never heard of 'Preterism'; I had never read him until I checked out his book 'The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah' from the library at the Lexington Church, now I own the book (I had never heard of 'Preterism', i.e. REALIZED ESCHATOLOGY, either)):
“Concerning this 'Kingdom of Heaven,' which was the great message of John, and the great work of Christ Himself, [1 Keim beautifully designates it: Das Lieblingswort Jesu.] we may here say, that it is the whole Old Testament sublimated, and the whole New Testament realised. The idea of it did not lie hidden in the Old, to be opened up in the New Testament, as did the mystery of its realisation. [a Rom. xvi 25, 26; Eph. i. 9; Col. i. 26, 27.] But this rule of heaven and Kingship of Jehovah was the very substance of the Old Testament; the object of the calling and mission of Israel; the meaning of all its ordinances, whether civil or religious; [2 If, indeed, in the preliminary dispensation these two can be well separated.] the underlying idea of all its institutions. [3 I confess myself utterly unable to understand, how anyone writing a History of the Jewish Church can apparently eliminate from it what even Keim designates as the 'treibenden Gedanken des Alten Testaments', those of the Kingdom and the King. A Kingdom of God without a King; a Theocracy without the rule of God; a perpetual Davidic Kingdom without a 'Son of David', these are antinomies (to borrow the term of Kant) of which neither the Old Testament, the Apocrypha, the Pseudepigraphic writings, nor Rabbinism were guility.] It explained alike the history of the people, the dealings of God with them, and the prospects opened up by the prophets. Without it the Old Testament could not be understood; it gave perpetuity to its teaching, and dignity to its representations. This constituted alike the real contrast between Israel and the nations of antiquity, and Israel's real title to distinction. Thus the whole Old Testament was the preparatory presentation of the rule of heaven and of the Kingship of its Lord.”
Edersheim concerning 'the kingdom':
“......an analysis of 119 passages in the New Testament where the expression 'Kingdom' occurs, shows that:
.........it means the rule of God; [1 In this view the expression occurs thirty-four times, viz: St. Matt. vi. 33; xii. 28; xiii. 38; xix. 24; xxi. 31; St. Mark i. 14; x. 15, 23, 24, 25; xii. 34; St. Luke i. 33; iv. 43; ix. 11; x. 9, 11; xi. 20; xii. 31; xvii. 20, 21; xviii. 17, 24, 25, 29; St. John iii. 3; Acts i. 3; viii. 12; xx. 25; xxviii. 31; Rom. xiv. 17; 1 Cor. iv. 20; Col. iv. 11; 1 Thess. ii. 12; Rev.i.9
......which was manifested in and through Christ; [2 As in the following seventeen passages, viz.: St. Matt. iii. 2; iv. 17, 23; v. 3, 10; ix. 35; x. 7; St. Mark i. 15; xi. 10; St. Luke viii. 1; ix. 2; xvi. 16; xix. 12, 15; Acts i. 3; xxviii. 23; Rev. i. 9.]
.......is apparent in 'the Church; [3 As in the following eleven passages: St. Matt. xi. 11; xiii. 41; xvi. 19; xviii. 1; xxi. 43; xxiii. 13; St. Luke vii. 28; St.John iii. 5; Acts i. 3; Col. i. 13; Rev. i. 9.]
........gradually develops amidst hindrances; [4 As in the following twenty-four passages: St. Matt. xi. 12; xiii. 11, 19, 24, 31, 33, 44, 45, 47, 52; xviii. 23; xx. 1; xxii. 2; xxv. 1, 14; St. Mark iv. 11, 26, 30; St. Luke viii. 10; ix. 62; xiii. 18, 20; Acts i. 3; Rev. i. 9.]
.........is triumphant at the second coming of Christ ('the end') [5 As in the following twelve passages: St. Matthew xvi. 28; St. Mark ix. 1; St. Mark xvi. 28; St. Mark ix. 1; xv. 43; St. Luke ix. 27; xix. 11; xxi. 31; xxii. 16, 18; Acts i. 3; 2 Tim. iv. 1; Heb. xii. 28; Rev. i. 9.] ;
.........and, finally, perfected in the world to come. [6 As in the following thirty-one passages: St. Matt. v. 19, 20; vii. 21; viii. 11; xiii. 43; xviii. 3; xxv. 34; xxvi. 29; St. Mark ix. 47; x. 14; xiv. 25; St. Luke vi. 20; xii. 32; xiii. 28, 29; xiv. 15; xviii. 16; xxii. 29; Acts i. 3; xiv. 22; 1 Cor. vi. 9, 10; xv. 24, 50; Gal. v. 21; Eph. v. 5; 2 Thess. i. 5; St. James ii. 5; 2 Peter i. 11; Rev. i. 9; xii. 10.]”
Note Edersheim's reference to Mt 16:28 as 'the second coming':
Verily I say unto you, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Mt 16:28
(1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There are some here of them that stand by, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God come with power. Mk 9)
Edersheim's comments on Mt 16:28:
“But why speak of the future and distant? 'A sign', a terrible sign of it 'from heaven,' a vindication of Christ's 'rejected' claims, a vindication of the Christ, Whom they had slain, invoking His Blood on their City and Nation, a vindication, such as alone these men could understand, of the relity of His Resurrection and Ascension, was in the near future. The flames of the City and Temple would be the light in that nation's darkness, by which to read the inscription on the Cross. All this not afar off. Some of those who stood there would not 'taste death,' [1 This is an exact translation of the phrase, which is of such very frequenct occurrence in Rabbinic writings. See our remarks on St. John viii. 52 in Book IV. ch. viii.] till in those judgments they would see that the Son of Man had come in His Kingdom. [a St. Matt. xvi. 28.]”
From the scripture references he gives for 'the world to come', it's plain that he believes the kingdom is 'now', and that it is a spiritual one.
"We have the glowing descriptions by all the prophets, but especially in the Book of Isaiah, of the time of the new covenant, with its blessings to Israel and to mankind. That these bear reference to a spiritual world-wide dispensation in the Messianic days needs scarcely argument, any more than that all the conditions of it have been fulfilled in that dispensation which was introduced under the New Testament."
"All that had been national, preparatory, symbolic, typical, would merge into the spiritual reality of fulfillment."
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Thank for posting this I have The Life and Times of Jesus The Messiah in my library too... Great reference... Brother Glen
His authority does not yet extend in full though upon this earth, as he is waiting until His second Coming to bring that to pass!
Not yet, happens at time of Second Coming!
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