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Spiritual Interpretation....pt6
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As I stated in a previous post, it is very unconvincing that Jesus taught his twelve apostles for approximately three years concerning the kingdom of God, and the apostles still ask Jesus before he was taken up (after spending an additional time during forty days with them after his resurrection), "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" Again, Jesus did not respond by blasting their expectation of such a kingdom. He only held their eager expectation for such a kingdom in check. Even Cleopas said, "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened." Too bad these poor men did not have Revelation: Four Views. In fact, Jesus gave them every reason to believe in such a kingdom.
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. -Mt. 8.11
I suppose you might say that you are now seated in heavenly places with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...
And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. -Mt. 20.21-23
Again, Jesus offers no correction to James and John's mother, another poor Premillennialist. He just answers her as if her question was valid to begin with.
Luke 17:21 cannot be taken as an absolute statement, not even by Postmillennialists. There are visible and invisible aspects of the kingdom. The Pharisees were failing to perceive the presence of the kingdom in their midst. As you stated, the kingdom was taken from them (Mt. 21.43). It was given to another nation, not the nations. Big difference!
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. -Lk. 12.32
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. -Lk. 22.29, 30
Spiritually eating and spiritually drinking at a spiritual table in a spiritual kingdom, and sitting (spiritually?) on spiritual thrones, judging (spiritually?) the spiritual tribes of a spiritual Israel. No wonder there are so many denominations. The scriptures can mean whatever we want it to mean.
Concerning John 14:26, the Holy Ghost had some interesting things to say about the kingdom of God:
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. -Lk. 1:67-75
Perhaps the Holy Ghost was bringing what Jesus said to Peter's remembrance:
Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. -Ac. 3.19-21
Was that an authoritative statement or was Peter still waiting for the Holy Ghost to reveal something different?
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I gave you two examples. Going overboard with great exaggeration? Maybe your exegesis, but not me.
The ONLY two examples, Tyre and Nineveh, neither of which are identified with this distinction or time indicator:
.....the things which must shortly come to pass .....the time is at hand. Rev 1: 1, 3
And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth. Rev 18:24
... I come quickly.....Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand.,,,,,,,, I come quickly ... I come quickly.... Rev 22:7,10,12,20
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets.... Mt 23
All you accomplished with this red herring is to verify what we already know, that Revelation uses the language of the Old Testament.
Yes, a nation clearly delineated from Israel after the flesh:
19 But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation, With a nation void of understanding will I anger you.
20 And Isaiah is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I became manifest unto them that asked not of me.
21 But as to Israel he saith, All the day long did I spread out my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people. Ro 10
...clearly fulfilled before the NT was completed:
They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; They have provoked me to anger with their vanities: And I will move them to jealousy with those that are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. Dt 32:21
44 And the next Sabbath almost the whole city was gathered together to hear the word of God.
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with jealousy, and contradicted the things which were spoken by Paul, and blasphemed. Acts 13
When therefore they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ? For he knew that for envy they had delivered him up. Mt 27:17,18
And as they spake unto the people, the priests and the captain of the temple and the Sadducees came upon them, being sore troubled because they taught the people, and proclaimed in Jesus the resurrection from the dead. Acts 4:2
And there also came together the multitudes from the cities round about Jerusalem, bring sick folk, and them that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one. But the high priest rose up, and all they that were with him (which is the sect of the Sadducees), and they were filled with jealousy, Acts 5:16,17
But the Jews, being moved with jealousy, took unto them certain vile fellows of the rabble, and gathering a crowd, set the city on an uproar; and assaulting the house of Jason, they sought to bring them forth to the people. Acts 17:5
...which jealousy was foretold in the parables:
27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28 But he was angry, and would not go in: and his father came out, and entreated him.
29 But he answered and said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, and I never transgressed a commandment of thine; and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30 but when this thy son came, who hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou killedst for him the fatted calf. Lu 15
10 And when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received every man a shilling.
11 And when they received it, they murmured against the householder,
12 saying, These last have spent but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.
13 But he answered and said to one of them, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a shilling?
14 Take up that which is thine, and go thy way; it is my will to give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? or is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last. Mt 20
....which jealousy/enmity of 'the first' toward 'the second' is consistent in the types found in the stories of Cain/Abel, Ishmael/Isaac, Essau/Jacob, Leah/Rachel, Saul/David, etc, (but of course you shut yourself off from anything 'deeper than the letter' and mock others that gladly receive the types).
18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold Wondrous things out of thy law.
162 I rejoice at thy word, As one that findeth great spoil. Ps 119
(for those that dare to look deeper than the letter)
19 But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation, With a nation void of understanding will I anger you. Ro 10
This is 'the pointer' that justifies looking for the analogies:
"..as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now...."
Jealousy/envy/enmity from those that were first towards those that were second foretold in the types:
Cain/Abel
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And Jehovah had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 And Jehovah said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? Gen 4
Ishmael/Isaac
8 And the child grew, and was weaned. And Abraham made a great feast on the day that Isaac was weaned.
9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne unto Abraham, mocking. Gen 21
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Gal 4
Essau/Jacob
41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him. And Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand. Then will I slay my brother Jacob. Gen 27
Saul the first king/David the second king
7 And the women sang one to another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands.
8 And Saul was very wroth, and this saying displeased him; and he said, They have ascribed unto David ten thousands, and to me they have ascribed but thousands: and what can he have more but the kingdom?
9 And Saul eyed David from that day and forward. 1 Sam 18
Concerning the firstborn/second born, it is consistent throughout the scriptures that it's actually the second born that obtains the favor of God, not the firstborn, thus the jealousy of the firstborn,
It was not Cain's sacrifice that God had respect for, but it was Abel's; 'Cain was of the evil one, and slew his brother....Because his works were evil, and his brother`s righteous.' [1 Jn 3:12]
Shem was the elder brother of Japheth, but, 'God enlarge Japheth, And let him dwell in the tents of Shem...' [Gen 10:21 ASV & 9:27]
It was Ishmael, the firstborn, that was born after the flesh, and he persecuted Isaac, the second born, that was born after the Spirit. Isaac was the child of promise; Ishmael was cast out. [Gal 4:29]
It was said of Esau and Jacob, 'The elder shall serve the younger. Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.' [Ro 9:12,13]
It was not Leah his first wife that Jacob loved, but it was Rachel his second wife. [Gen 29:30,31]
It was Ephraim the younger that Jacob blessed over his older brother Mannassah and that in spite of Joseph's objections. [Gen 48:13-20]
It was not the first generation of the exodus that entered into the rest of the promised land, it was the second generation; 'But your little ones, that ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have rejected.' [Nu 14:31]
It was not Saul the first king of Israel that would do all of God's will, but it was the second king David that was a man after His heart; '...Saul the son of Kish...when he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king; to whom also he bare witness and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My heart, who shall do all My will.' [Acts 13:21,22]
It was not the first covenant of the law ( I desire mercy, and not sacrifice) that God had pleasure in, but it was the second covenant of grace; '....a better covenant, which hath been enacted upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then would no place have been sought for a second.' [Heb 8:6,7]
Consider 'the first man Adam' vs. 'the last Adam, ' ... that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.' 1 Cor 15:45-47]
162 I rejoice at thy word, As one that findeth great spoil. Ps 119
(for those that dare to look deeper than the letter)
19 But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation, With a nation void of understanding will I anger you. Ro 10
This is 'the pointer' that justifies looking for the analogies:
"..as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now...."
Jealousy/envy/enmity from those that were first towards those that were second foretold in the types:
Cain/Abel
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And Jehovah had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
5 but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
6 And Jehovah said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? Gen 4
Ishmael/Isaac
8 And the child grew, and was weaned. And Abraham made a great feast on the day that Isaac was weaned.
9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne unto Abraham, mocking. Gen 21
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Gal 4
Essau/Jacob
41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him. And Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand. Then will I slay my brother Jacob. Gen 27
Saul the first king/David the second king
7 And the women sang one to another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, And David his ten thousands.
8 And Saul was very wroth, and this saying displeased him; and he said, They have ascribed unto David ten thousands, and to me they have ascribed but thousands: and what can he have more but the kingdom?
9 And Saul eyed David from that day and forward. 1 Sam 18
Concerning the firstborn/second born, it is consistent throughout the scriptures that it's actually the second born that obtains the favor of God, not the firstborn, thus the jealousy of the firstborn,
It was not Cain's sacrifice that God had respect for, but it was Abel's; 'Cain was of the evil one, and slew his brother....Because his works were evil, and his brother`s righteous.' [1 Jn 3:12]
Shem was the elder brother of Japheth, but, 'God enlarge Japheth, And let him dwell in the tents of Shem...' [Gen 10:21 ASV & 9:27]
It was Ishmael, the firstborn, that was born after the flesh, and he persecuted Isaac, the second born, that was born after the Spirit. Isaac was the child of promise; Ishmael was cast out. [Gal 4:29]
It was said of Esau and Jacob, 'The elder shall serve the younger. Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.' [Ro 9:12,13]
It was not Leah his first wife that Jacob loved, but it was Rachel his second wife. [Gen 29:30,31]
It was Ephraim the younger that Jacob blessed over his older brother Mannassah and that in spite of Joseph's objections. [Gen 48:13-20]
It was not the first generation of the exodus that entered into the rest of the promised land, it was the second generation; 'But your little ones, that ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have rejected.' [Nu 14:31]
It was not Saul the first king of Israel that would do all of God's will, but it was the second king David that was a man after His heart; '...Saul the son of Kish...when he had removed him, he raised up David to be their king; to whom also he bare witness and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My heart, who shall do all My will.' [Acts 13:21,22]
It was not the first covenant of the law ( I desire mercy, and not sacrifice) that God had pleasure in, but it was the second covenant of grace; '....a better covenant, which hath been enacted upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then would no place have been sought for a second.' [Heb 8:6,7]
Consider 'the first man Adam' vs. 'the last Adam, ' ... that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is of heaven.' 1 Cor 15:45-47]
And effectively demonstrating, and thus refuting, the claim that the city in Rev. 17-18 has to be Jerusalem as Preterists claim it does just because it is identified as a "harlot."
[Edited: Insult] The identifying distinctions in post #125 have nothing to do with Jerusalem as "harlot".
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"...“it is particularly interesting that the Qumran scroll 4QpNah [4Q169]has accommodated the whole text of Nahum to Jerusalem.” (Provan, p.93) ...."
Notes on the Book of Revelation_Harlot Babylon and Bride Jerusalem
PrmtvBptst1832,
Hello PB,
Again before the Spirit comes to bring all things to their remembrance and show them things to come...they constantly did not understand.
It might have been interesting to say the least....I would have liked to see the look on their faces when they would read that the Kingdom has not really began
...but it would be thousands of years in the future.
Let me ask you PB...you can answer or take it rhetorically...
When I talk to many premills....their responses concerning the Kingdom are one or two line tweets....like some posters have a tendency to do, saying the Kingdom is literal and future on earth....then they indicate Isa.11 is the place to look, then they are finished.....maybe they quote that their will be no more sadness etc...
the whole discussion takes 5, maybe ten minutes
In the book of Acts we read this in contrast;
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
He spent years teaching about Kingdom life....not 5 minutes and its in the future....
The thing is....many godly men look at the same verses, see them different and yet similar. They have to because the verses force a kind of agreement.
I have a small work by George Eldon Ladd here with me, and I look for what he thought he saw in scripture.
Over and over he states that although he sees the Kingdom is yet future, but he keeps speaking about we have the "blessings" of the Kingdom now?
In effect...he almost sounds like an Amill. or postmill teacher with what he says. I will develop this more later on tonight.
The examples are before the cross, Ascension, and Pentecost. Don't you think it changes as the Spirit begins the transition in Acts2?
There are many outstanding and exciting teachings concerning the extent of the Kingdom. The postmill fight for the idea that that which is "invisible" should be made visible or manifest by the Church...militant.
The other views say we have a little bit now......most comes later, suddenly, all at once.....so lets skip doing Kingdom things, just preach the gospel and for the most part hang on...it is only going to get worse.
Again...that which is spiritual and inward must be manifest in good works, Kingdom works in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation as we shine as lights...
This is one of my favorite passages showing what I am saying...how we are to live right now....occupy till I come, not world flight as many do now.
yes He was.....it takes time to go worldwide but it is happening.
Hello PB,
Again before the Spirit comes to bring all things to their remembrance and show them things to come...they constantly did not understand.
It might have been interesting to say the least....I would have liked to see the look on their faces when they would read that the Kingdom has not really began
...but it would be thousands of years in the future.Let me ask you PB...you can answer or take it rhetorically...
When I talk to many premills....their responses concerning the Kingdom are one or two line tweets....like some posters have a tendency to do, saying the Kingdom is literal and future on earth....then they indicate Isa.11 is the place to look, then they are finished.....maybe they quote that their will be no more sadness etc...
the whole discussion takes 5, maybe ten minutes
In the book of Acts we read this in contrast;
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
He spent years teaching about Kingdom life....not 5 minutes and its in the future....
The thing is....many godly men look at the same verses, see them different and yet similar. They have to because the verses force a kind of agreement.
I have a small work by George Eldon Ladd here with me, and I look for what he thought he saw in scripture.
Over and over he states that although he sees the Kingdom is yet future, but he keeps speaking about we have the "blessings" of the Kingdom now?
In effect...he almost sounds like an Amill. or postmill teacher with what he says. I will develop this more later on tonight.
The examples are before the cross, Ascension, and Pentecost. Don't you think it changes as the Spirit begins the transition in Acts2?
There are many outstanding and exciting teachings concerning the extent of the Kingdom. The postmill fight for the idea that that which is "invisible" should be made visible or manifest by the Church...militant.
The other views say we have a little bit now......most comes later, suddenly, all at once.....so lets skip doing Kingdom things, just preach the gospel and for the most part hang on...it is only going to get worse.
Again...that which is spiritual and inward must be manifest in good works, Kingdom works in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation as we shine as lights...
This is one of my favorite passages showing what I am saying...how we are to live right now....occupy till I come, not world flight as many do now.
yes He was.....it takes time to go worldwide but it is happening.
The idea being taken from the language....who was supposed to be the wife?
was it Jerusalem or the pagan nations...? That is why the idea of jealously that Kyred offers is biblical.
Revelation discusses two women...Israel, the Church...one a harlot, one a bride.
7 How much soever she glorified herself, and waxed wanton, so much give her of torment and mourning: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall in no wise see mourning. Rev 18
She is indeed a widow and is no queen, she killed her Husband, Christ the king. The Harlot here is an 'unfaithful widow', and she indeed has seen great mourning and torment down through the centuries suffering the OT curses that were leveled against her.
Thanks for asking serious questions supported by Scripture.
Did he give them any reason to believe he would establish an earthly kingdom? NO! They were very slow to understand as the expectation of an Israelite kingdom centred on Jerusalem was so ingrained that they just could not understand.
Let the wonder of the opening verses of Ephesians sink in:
They were confused, & they refused to believe his repeated plain statements of betrayal, rejection, crucifixion & resurrection.
The Apostles certainly judged Israel in Acts 4, so the guilty leaders had nothing to answer.
Stephen judged his accusers. (Acts 7) Paul even judged his hearers before they rejected him & his message.
Zacharias is quoting OT prophecy. There is a lot more teaching about Jesus to come.
Times of refreshing did come, & were evident during the Apostolic period. He can't mean that if all the Jews repented, God would send Jesus as an earthly king, because in the same sentence Jesus will stay in heaven until the times of restoration of all things. His coming at the passing away of heaven & earth. (Mat. 24:35, 2 Peter 3.)
At the time of Acts 3, the Jews' leaders had not rejected the Apostolic Gospel, though they were about to.
What do YOU think the Holy Spirit meant by Peter's statement in Acts 3:19-21?
What do you think Jesus meant by these comings?
He rebuked Cleopas & companion:
Luke 24:25 Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
and the Apostles:
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
Did he give them any reason to believe he would establish an earthly kingdom? NO! They were very slow to understand as the expectation of an Israelite kingdom centred on Jerusalem was so ingrained that they just could not understand.
Let the wonder of the opening verses of Ephesians sink in:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
The wonder of the relationship of the redeemed people of God with their God & Saviour - & each other in Christ.I don't get your comment in red. Jesus told her: "Ye know not what ye ask."
They were confused, & they refused to believe his repeated plain statements of betrayal, rejection, crucifixion & resurrection.
Peter explains the other nation as the multinational church. 1 Peter 2.
Now you are being silly. THey were indeed members of Jesus' kingdom -
Rev. 1:5b To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
The Apostles certainly judged Israel in Acts 4, so the guilty leaders had nothing to answer.
Stephen judged his accusers. (Acts 7) Paul even judged his hearers before they rejected him & his message.
Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest what has been spoken in the prophets come upon you:
41 ‘Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’
And the chief priests:41 ‘Behold, you despisers,
Marvel and perish!
For I work a work in your days,
A work which you will by no means believe,
Though one were to declare it to you.’
Acts 23:3 Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! For you sit to judge me according to the law, and do you command me to be struck contrary to the law?”
Zacharias is quoting OT prophecy. There is a lot more teaching about Jesus to come.
Times of refreshing did come, & were evident during the Apostolic period. He can't mean that if all the Jews repented, God would send Jesus as an earthly king, because in the same sentence Jesus will stay in heaven until the times of restoration of all things. His coming at the passing away of heaven & earth. (Mat. 24:35, 2 Peter 3.)
At the time of Acts 3, the Jews' leaders had not rejected the Apostolic Gospel, though they were about to.
What do YOU think the Holy Spirit meant by Peter's statement in Acts 3:19-21?
What do you think Jesus meant by these comings?
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
So you would be a classic A mil then?
If you were to read my posts, you would know what I believe & teach.
Don't be so LAZY.
Or if you would just give him a simple answer.
As in too lazy to type a simple "yes" or "no?"
Well I agree to some extent but tell me then how do you interpret this scripture as there seems to be a division to me?... Brother Glen
Acts 11:25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
That is an interesting comment but what are you going to do with these verses?... Brother Glen
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
KIngdom Quiz
Was looking at views from George Eldon Ladd...and Philip Mauro...
Here are 10 quotes.....can you tell who said which ones?
Was looking at views from George Eldon Ladd...and Philip Mauro...
Here are 10 quotes.....can you tell who said which ones?
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