He does seem confused on this issue, as believe that he sees Jesus coming in same nature that we now have, in sinful flesh!
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Spiritual Life and Spiritual Death
- Thread starter JonC
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Not at all. Christ came "in the flesh" (that is what "Incarnation" means, BTW") but "without sin". I do not understand how you and @Calminian can still be so confused on that point. Scripture even states it.
That said, Scripture does not say that man was spiritually alive and then spiritually died. Scripture places men as naturally flesh with a human spirit which is focused on it's own desires (on the desires of the flesh). Christ even expressed this when He prayed "let this cup pass", but yielded His own will to that of the Father through obedience even to the Cross.
We can disagree on whether or not man has "spiritually died". You can interpret Paul as being "spiritually alive" and then encountered the Law and "spiritually died" only to be made "spiritually alive" again if that is your desire. But it is NOT Scripture (it is a misunderstanding of Scripture).
And you can believe whatever mythology you choose. At least here it is a Christian mythology. More power to you. But for me, I will adhere to Scripture. That is where I stand. We can meet on common ground (Christ, Scripture....i.e., what is Written) but we may never agree on those additions to which you cling.
Jesus was born without a sin nature as we all were born with, correct?
And ALL save Jesus born as sinners, hence spiritually dead!
What does the Bible say? Provide a quote (provide the passage....it is there). That will give you an answer.
Jesus was born with inheriting our sin nature!
The Bible says that Jesus become one of us yet without sin..
Do you have a passage talking about "sin nature" or are you just referring to "the flesh"?
All humans inherit the sin nature, except for Jesus!
I know I am being repetitive, but so are you so here goes one more try - scripture please.
Ephesians 2:1
Romans 3:23
Neither say all have inherited a "sin nature" except for Jesus.
What Scripture DOES say is Jesus became flesh and was like us but without sin.
You do not see that we inherited a sin nature. that we all were affected by the Fall of Adam?
Purpose of the Virgin Birth, was to bypass the effects of the Fall!