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I do deny that Adam suffered the dying spiritually as Scripture presents spiritual life in such a way that this is impossible. It may not be as simple a view, but I cannot turn my back on Scripture just to work things out in theology. If you and @Martin Marprelate are comfortable "going there" then that is fine, we are all responsible for our own faith and I do not hold it against you.

But for me, I will follow God the best I can and that means a faithfulness to Scripture even if it is a more narrow way.

 

Again, this is the same logical fallacy you have been dabbling in.

God also dealt with man outside of any covenant. So using your logic one could deny that God uses covenants at all. As you can (hopefully) see, it is a very stupid way to argue.

 

No. Scripture does not say "again". Scripture says that Jesus is the first "man" to have spiritual life. He is the "Firstborn" among many brethern (those to come).

Do you believe God meant to say that Adam would be the "Second-Born" who would restore man "in Adam"?

 

God related towards us by ONE covenant.
But God related to some through covenants (His Covenantal People) and others not through Covenants. God related to OT people in and out of covenants.

You seem to be tossing out really silly and false arguments. Take your time and consider what you believe before you respond.

 

No. The Bible says that what God did was something NEW, a NEW CREATION. NOT a restoration back to God but a rebirth.

 

Prior to the Fall I do not think we could say there was a "need", but that the need was logically a potential. This, of course, does not mean that Adam was created already possessing spiritual life. That is a weird conclusion. It means that Adam had not yet sinned. He was created natural, not spiritual, per 2 Corinthians 15.

You have to be careful not to deny Scripture in affirming your theories. Please take your time to work through this before responding.

 

No. This is paganism. Scripture says that Adam was changed, but not that Adam "lost something that Jesus had to regain back for him". That is heresy. Scripture instead says that Adam was created natural (flesh) while Christ became a life giving spirit (the "last" or "second" Adam became spirit, first the natural and second the spiritual....a seed must fall).

Pagans look to return to the Garden. Christians look to a rebirth.

 

I know that is what you believe. It would be really cool if Scripture said that, but unfortunately it does not. Instead Scripture presents the natural (Adam) coming first, the spiritual (Christ as the "last Adam") second, and men having to be recreated, God putting His Spirit in them, for spiritual life.

 

I see all humans including Jesus as being born with human natures.