Spiritual Warfare

[HisWitness]

Yes, I am speculating, but there is nothing in scripture that excludes that this is where Satan took Jesus. From this mountain Jesus could see all the kingdoms of the world.

You have no warrant to say this scripture is figurative. Now YOU are speculating. Satan being supernatural could very well have taken Jesus up to the mountain of God.

now you have clothed your beloved fallen angel Satan with great powers and authority like unto God his self ????


sorry friend but I will not praise nor give glory to a false idol in that way any longer --I will give ALL glory and praise to the Lord of Lords and him only who hath ALL power and glory and honor for all ages :love2::love2::love2:

 

[HisWitness]

Dude, I have showed you. A "cherub" is an angel. This particular cherub was in the Garden of Eden before any men existed. This cherub walked on the mountain of God, this cherub was perfect in all his ways until iniquity or sin was found in him.

There were no men to tempt Adam and Eve, they were the FIRST people. They had not had children yet.

Who else was in the garden? God, who certainly did not tempt them, as God never tempts any man to sin (James 1:13).

That leaves only this anointed cherub who was in the Garden of Eden and sinned.

Checkmate dude, whether you admit it or not.

you have showed me nothing but you mis-understanding of a text that is talking about a MAN and is symbolic language--that man was not literally in the garden---its figurative language like as the king of Babylon is friend

 

[Amy.G]

sorry friend but I will not praise nor give glory to a false idol in that way any longer --

That is exactly what you've done. You've created your own god in your image.

 

[HisWitness]

I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying God is sovereign and as such Satan has no power over Him.
Adam gave away this world when he sinned against God. Now Satan is the god of this world.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

does satan do as he pleases or does he do as God allows ??? which one ?

 

[HisWitness]

Dude, I have showed you. A "cherub" is an angel. This particular cherub was in the Garden of Eden before any men existed. This cherub walked on the mountain of God, this cherub was perfect in all his ways until iniquity or sin was found in him.

There were no men to tempt Adam and Eve, they were the FIRST people. They had not had children yet.

Who else was in the garden? God, who certainly did not tempt them, as God never tempts any man to sin (James 1:13).

That leaves only this anointed cherub who was in the Garden of Eden and sinned.

Checkmate dude, whether you admit it or not.

adam was not tempted eve was---there was a man to tempt eve--it was adam ---eve gave the fruit to adam after she was deceived--adam was never deceived he knew the whole time--so your checkmate is in vain!!!

 

[Winman]

now you have clothed your beloved fallen angel Satan with great powers and authority like unto God his self ????


sorry friend but I will not praise nor give glory to a false idol in that way any longer --I will give ALL glory and praise to the Lord of Lords and him only who hath ALL power and glory and honor for all ages :love2::love2::love2:

Who told you to give glory to Satan?

Recognizing biblical truths about Satan is not giving him glory. The scriptures say Satan can do wonders and miracles. He will even make an image appear to come to life. That is not giving Satan glory, it is simply what the word of God says.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Whether you like it or not, the scriptures show Satan has great powers. He can do wonders and miracles, he has power to give life unto the image of the beast.

It does not glorify Satan to believe the word of God, but it does call God a liar when you do not believe the word of God.

 

[HisWitness]

That is exactly what you've done. You've created your own god in your image.

you have just called the God of Heaven and the Lord of Glory a false god according to your own words---shame on you amy :tear::tear:

 

[HisWitness]

Who told you to give glory to Satan?

Recognizing biblical truths about Satan is not giving him glory. The scriptures say Satan can do wonders and miracles. He will even make an image appear to come to life. That is not giving Satan glory, it is simply what the word of God says.

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Whether you like it or not, the scriptures show Satan has great powers. He can do wonders and miracles, he has power to give life unto the image of the beast.

It does not glorify Satan to believe the word of God, but it does call God a liar when you do not believe the word of God.

here again you have no clue between symbolic language and literal meaning

Revelation is symbolic language not literal.......

 

[Amy.G]

does satan do as he pleases or does he do as God allows ??? which one ?

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

God allows Satan to rule this world. Scripture says so. But God does intervene by His own will.

If our adversary is not a being, then who is seeking to devour us? Oh wait, you think God is the adversary right? Is God seeking to devour us?

 

[Amy.G]

you have just called the God of Heaven and the Lord of Glory a false god according to your own words---shame on you amy :tear::tear:

Oh that is funny. :BangHead:

 

[Benjamin]

Not a game at all brother--its a learning experience

WHOA now, you people that don't understand the scriptures! The Master Satan has NEVER been in chains, nor was a mere fallen angelic being, and all the discussion of Satan in the Bible was speaking of men, a man, high priest etc. but some lowly being! Now, if Satan was on Earth dealing with jesus nothing would have stopped him from tempting jesus. Powerful Satan “could have taken bodily form and deceived the jews by doing this himself” “ --but this [satan] was NO fallen angelic being”.

I’m “scared” to answer the Satanic interpretations of the scriptures. (L)lord bless [punish] me.

Satan never fell from God - he is what He is Not – from the beginning. John 1:1 &2.

How am I doing?

 

[HisWitness]

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

God allows Satan to rule this world. Scripture says so. But God does intervene by His own will.

If our adversary is not a being, then who is seeking to devour us? Oh wait, you think God is the adversary right? Is God seeking to devour us?

so your satan could have took bodily form and leaped from the pinnacle of the temple and deceived the people with his powers ???

why did he tempt jesus to do so when he could have done it his self ???

 

[agedman]

John 1-1

in the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God.

2-The same was in the beginning with God.

is that enough scriptural evidence of God being in existence even from the beginning ??

now show me some plain scriptures like as I have shown you with no dout or question of what it is saying that a angel named Satan sinned and fell from God ???

You have been shown Scriptures over and over on this thread and remain in denial.

You also have not used the same criteria for God that you did for Satan.

BTW, the cal group are known for not attributing any evil to God. That is a mis-characterization by Winman that is really unfounded.

God is not the author of evil nor did he create any evil being. Will God use evil folks for His will, of course - that is exampled many times in Scriptures.

But, back YOUR response, you cannot be consistent with denial of Satan and not be obliged to apply the same thinking to God.

For, as the psalmist states, "If one is to believe in God, they first have to acknowledge that He IS...."

You choose not to believe in a literal Satan which is inconsistent with any true belief in God.

By extrapolation, you cannot actually hold to a literal hell, and a literal heaven. For without believing in a literal Satan, then what was created for their final keeping as the lake of fire can not be real according to your thinking.

 

[agedman]

so your satan could have took bodily form and leaped from the pinnacle of the temple and deceived the people with his powers ???

why did he tempt jesus to do so when he could have done it his self ???

You are presenting a response based upon a hypothetical in which you are attempting to prove a belief wrong.

Such does not help your argument.

Besides, he will do it himself during the tribulation time - which if I recall you reject as anything other than some fanciful picture and not a literal time yet to come.

 

[Benjamin]

[sic]...your satan...

Little (s) - little weak Satan.

why did he tempt jesus to do so when he could have done it his self ???

Amy!!! Just how weak do you think Satan is?!? -!!!!!!!


:tonofbricks:

 

[HisWitness]

You have been shown Scriptures over and over on this thread and remain in denial.

You also have not used the same criteria for God that you did for Satan.

BTW, the cal group are known for not attributing any evil to God. That is a mis-characterization by Winman that is really unfounded.

God is not the author of evil nor did he create any evil being. Will God use evil folks for His will, of course - that is exampled many times in Scriptures.

But, back YOUR response, you cannot be consistent with denial of Satan and not be obliged to apply the same thinking to God.

For, as the psalmist states, "If one is to believe in God, they first have to acknowledge that He IS...."

You choose not to believe in a literal Satan which is inconsistent with any true belief in God.

By extrapolation, you cannot actually hold to a literal hell, and a literal heaven. For without believing in a literal Satan, then what was created for their final keeping as the lake of fire can not be real according to your thinking.

oh but I do believe in Satan(Adversary) and the lake of fire and its true purpose and Christ and what he accomplished with his own blood and death and resurrection and ascension and in his coming back again.

Just because you cant see it brother----doesn't mean everyone that doesn't have the same belief as you is wrong or is not of God :love2::love2:

 

[HisWitness]

You are presenting a response based upon a hypothetical in which you are attempting to prove a belief wrong.

Such does not help your argument.

Besides, he will do it himself during the tribulation time - which if I recall you reject as anything other than some fanciful picture and not a literal time yet to come.

the tribulation has already occurred as the new testament says.it has been fulfilled as jesus said it would be before that generation passed away friend

:godisgood::godisgood::godisgood:

 

[Iconoclast]

Baloney, God was holding an actual conversation with Satan, he asked Satan if he had considered his servant Job.

And Satan answered back!



Satan answered back and accused God of buying Job's love by putting a hedge around him, his house, and all that he had, and challenged God to afflict Job, saying Job would curse him to his face.

That's a pretty nifty trick for a "word", don't you think?

And then this "word" Satan proceeded to bring down the Sabeans to kill his servants and steal his oxen and asses...

Then this "word" Satan caused fire to be rained down from heaven burning up Job's sheep and servants...

Then this "word" Satan caused the Chaldeans to kill his servants and steal his camels...

Then this "word" Satan caused a great wind to knock down his eldest son's house killing all his children.

Wow, this "word" Satan is very impressive if you ask me.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Benjamin]

oh but I do believe in Satan(Adversary) and the lake of fire and its [sic] true purpose and Christ and what he accomplished with his own blood and death and resurrection and ascension and in his coming back again.

Satan is no MERE "adversary" brother Agedman!

Just because you cant see it brother----doesn't mean everyone that doesn't have the same belief as you is wrong or is not of [sic] G(g)od :love2::love2:

My eyes are opening! I'm having a learning experience! :godisgood:

 

[Iconoclast]

i believe in the word--Satan-- but do NOT believe in an angel that sinned and was cast from God as being the so called Satan.

Satan is a loanword not a name--word which means Adversary--Satan is not even the original word in the greek of the true word.study this up friend.

Your soul is in danger if you find yourself denying clear biblical truth.