Spurgeon disproves Calvinism

Bears, skunks, honey badgers, raccoons...animals eat honey. People eat honey as well.

Your line of reasoning is utilitarianism. I believe the philosophy flawed.

Why have a universe when a solar system would do? Why have such diversity in nature when a less diverse creation would have been enough? Why have more than is necessary?

The answer is not chance. The answer us that Creation itself testifies to the glory of God. Things look different when you start with the Creator rather than creation.

 

I don't believe it does. I believe Calvinism elevates man over God. But that does not make your argument valid.

 

Several types of insects that eat pollen. Many species of beetles eat pollen. Ladybugs eat pollen. Mites eat pollen.

Other animals feed on these insects that eat pollen.

 

David,

I will not discuss it here (believe me, it would derail the thread), but I will try to answer your question. In my opinion Calvinism assumes a faulty view of divine justice which drives the theology by viewing God being both just and the justifier of sinners is not a declaration but rather a summary of the problem solved. Rather than viewing God as infinite, Calvinism has an idea of God as subjected to the knowledge of good and evil (in practice, not in word). The divine nature is, essentially, a human nature without sin on a larger scale. Calvinism looks to the Law and God's righteousness as coming through the Law in Christ imputed to man. It is all centered on man, not God, at it's foundation.

Insofar as the "five points" of Calvinism, I agree. But from a very different position.

 

You have to understand that to most Calvinists around here, misspelling "Spurgeon", questioning his theology, mentioning that he never actually preached the sermons as published (he revised each sermon before print), or refusing to appreciate a good cigar is blasphemy.

 

I think you drew an invalid conclusion. [Note: I am neither a C. nor an A. so this isn't a spiritual argument.]

You didn't define "chance". Do you mean chance as in giving all pollen grains an equal chance or chance as in giving that one singular pollen grain God intends the chance to enter the pistil?

The Bible says that the stars, moon, sun [yes, a star], and even ocean waves are all ordained, set in their order, and know their place. I believe that means that God is in control of those things.

And if God is sovereign over things that are incredibly macro in nature, why shouldn't he be in charge of the incredibly micro?

God created the way that all living things would reproduce, including flowers and humans. Knowing ahead of time that there would be many barriers to a male germ cell reaching a female germ cell in matter, which is created by God, but does not contain the supernatural abilities of God......it makes sense to me that God could ensure a way for the male germ cell of his choice to be free of those natural barriers by having other male germ cells "take the fall" so to speak.

That's one idea of chance - one way that God could be sovereign even over his smallest of matter.

Who's to say that this is not how it works? Even our own bodies - created by God - are subject to deterioration because of sin. And yet God ordains when our hearts stop beating and when they conquer disease.

If you are trying disprove a doctrine or spiritual teaching, giving your ideas about germ cells didn't do it. All you did was to disagree with someone. Again, I don't march behind the tenets of C. nor A. I'm just making an observation.