Still waiting for an answer

Dear Psalm,

I am a former Catholic and raised my children in the Catholic faith. My own experience has been that the Catholic Church as well as all other Christian denominations have been a tutor for me - much like the law was for the Jews. Until Jesus appeared in my life and became my hope of glory.

In His indescribable Love, Diane

 

Give up talkin' about the Lord? Never

 

Just a reminder of what the challenge was:

 

It's been posted - you refuse to accept that and use your own interpretation of scripture. Where does the Bible tell us that one doctrine is above another? I guess if you believe in Faith Alone then simple Christianity is good enough for you.

 

He clarified what he previously stated in the original challenge and he asked that people not try to make a simple topic huge by answering with a novel instead of simply answering the question.

"Is there anything Roman Catholics must believe in order to obtain salvation that is not found in the Scriptures."

"I thought I asked all of you to refrain from all the copy and pasted plagiarised 10,000 word tomes.

You ought to know enough about what you believe without resorting to something that most of us have little time or desire to read."

 

Restate the question in 10,000 words and maybe you'll get an answer

 

HUH???? </font>[/QUOTE]Ps104_33 --
I would like to ask a favor of you, if you can. I
am very interested in this thread you started and
in what you, as well as others, have to say. But
because of the long line typed in the post I
copied above, I canot read the posts on this
second page, nor can anyone else who uses
WebTV. The lines falll too far off the screen to
the right.

Would you mind shortening the line, as I did
above, so that I can read what is here? Please?
8o) Thank you!!

 

Astralis --

I just read your answer to me on page one and
thought I should respond. You wrote:

That is very trite and cute, but you are writing to
a transplanted Californian who understands
these things. 8o) Furthermore, we at my
synagogue call Him Y'shua, not Jesus. Now,
there are a few Y'shuas when we read the
Scriptures, but there is only One who is King
of kings and Lord of lords. None of these other
ones inspire us, and we know enough not to
worship the others.

So my question is what do you propose is
that element which should give me "automatic
faith" and "inspire me to believe"? It is certainly
not some dusty creed written in c.e. 325, nor is
it some man, now sainted by the RCC, who
died in c.e. 215.

I do not accept the creeds; they hold absolutely
no value for me. What cannot be proven by
the Scriptures remains Totally Irrelevant to my
life, as are the writings and ideas of Luther and
many others.

[ August 13, 2002, 01:03 AM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]

 

It's all of that and more!

Read the creed. If you believe all of it, chances are you're a Christian. If you disagree with parts of it then how can you pick and choose? Belief in the Trinity is the major content of the creeds and there are Oneness Christians who I would not classify as being Christian if they reject parts of the Trinity, although the Trinity is mysterious and difficult to explain.

[ August 13, 2002, 02:55 AM: Message edited by: Astralis ]

 

I first glance, I would say that if you disagree with anything in the Bible then your religion is suspect too but Oneness Christians use the Bible Alone to refute the Trinity.

In fact, the Arian Heresy was defended using the Bible alone.

How can we know that it is interpreted correctly?

I think the creed can help.

 

CAN YOU NAME ONE ORAL, EXTRABIBLICAL TRADITION, DEMONSTRABLY TRACED TO THE APOSTOLIC AGE, WHICH IS NECESSARY FOR THE FAITH AND PRACTICE OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.

Back to this question.

I posted this question on my message board and got some responses that I will share:

[ August 13, 2002, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Astralis ]

 

Ah! Agreed! The CoC has the same Bibles, as
do many others we might call cults, and the
Mormons use the KJV exclusively, plus their
additions. Obviously, many Christiaan churches
use it to prove things I would disagree with, and
there are many Messianics (they range from
Charismatic to orthodox) with whom I would
not agree, all using the same Bibles to prove
their points. I, myself, have wanted so much to
believe certain thinigs in the past, and I could
point to Scriptures to prove my points.

But if I tried to depend upon the creeds, rather
than the Bible, to build my salvation upon, how
could these creeds be a firmer foundation than
the Word of God? Why must I rely upon a rein-
terpretation of what my God says, when He
left this book for me to follow? I get aggravated
when I listen to a presidential speech, then the
newscasters and political analysts come on
afterward and try to tell me what the President
"really" said. 8o)

 

Anyone want to answer the original question according to the original conditions?

 

Dualhunter,

The question is answered in my post two or three posts behind this one. That is the explanation. I'll post it again if you want.