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Submissiveness

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Rooster

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I had to smile at your response when you thought I might be abused and assume I have a thing against men. It warmed my heart for you to act like a man should and were righteously indignant. Thank you so much for showing compassion and concern. I don't see it often enough in God's people.
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I'm glad you took it the right way, all day today, I have been wondering if I didn't overstep my bouderies, and was affraid that it might of come across like an attack, cause that wasn't my intention, which you obviously picked up on, I was even wondering if, instead of posting it, if I shoud have done it via PM. Thank you for your understanding.
 
Marcia

Marcia

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Originally posted by Rooster:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by I Am Blessed 16:
"Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."

Ephesians 5:21
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Submitting yourselves one to another is saying: wife submit to your husband, child submitt to your parents, slaves submit to your master, believers submit to the Lord. It is expressing a divine order, that we all must submitt to. </font>[/QUOTE]But God uses a different word for children, translated as "obey," than He does in either Eph 5 or Titus 2 for wives. It is not the same word.
The word God uses for wives means "submit" before it means "obey" and why does God use a different word for wives than He does for children to obey their parents? It's because the parent-child relationship is one of obedience and the husband-wife relationship is one of submission, which is different. The difference may seem subtle, but when applied, it makes a lot of difference.
 
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Elnora

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Originally posted by Rooster:

I'm glad you took it the right way, all day today, I have been wondering if I didn't overstep my bouderies, and was affraid that it might of come across like an attack, cause that wasn't my intention, which you obviously picked up on, I was even wondering if, instead of posting it, if I shoud have done it via PM. Thank you for your understanding.
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Hi Rooster!,

I almost sent you a pm to answer that part of your post but decided it best to deal with it publically, so no one would get the idea that my husband might be some kind of monster.


I'm so sorry that it distressed you enough to be on your mind all day. Think nothing more of it. It was obvious that you were concerned, just the way Jesus wants us to be.

But I was thinkin' for a second that you just might come out shootin' :eek:


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Timtoolman

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The difference may seem subtle, but when applied, it makes a lot of difference. [/QB][/QUOTE]


A LOT of difference, this could clear this up for me. What is the big difference?!! :confused:
 
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dianetavegia

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Seems to me BOTH words mean to do as told without questioning.
 
Marcia

Marcia

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Originally posted by dianetavegia:
Seems to me BOTH words mean to do as told without questioning.
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I disagree. They are different words -- to obey means parents can demand and enforce obedience. To have someone submit to you means they are submitting willingly -- if it is forced, it is not submission. How can submission be submission if it is forced or demanded? That's the whole point of the difference.
 
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dianetavegia

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To have someone submit to you means they are submitting willingly -- if it is forced, it is not submission. How can submission be submission if it is forced

But God's WORD demands we submit to our husbands ... and yet Christian women refuse to obey God's word citing emotional examples of abuse, etc.

How can refusing to submit be anything less than sin?
 
I Am Blessed 24

I Am Blessed 24

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Gritting one's teeth and obeying by force is not scriptural submission nor is it pleasing to God.

Submission is an attitude a woman either adopts or rejects...
 
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dianetavegia

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Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 
I Am Blessed 24

I Am Blessed 24

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A child or a dog may have to be forced into submission, but a wife should never be - that is not submission the way God ordained it.

She should be 'loved' into submission...
 
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Fishnbread

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Hello fellow Christians I apoligize for remaining absent for so long but I had some phone troubles. Any way I hate to contridict you I Am Blessed 16 but would you care to prove that using some sort of Bible verse or basis.
 
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Fishnbread

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I would also like to say somthing to Tam_marie. I did not say that God did not care what we think on a subject I said that what we think regarding God's commandments are obsolete.

P.S Sorry if im being to graphic.
 
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SaggyWoman

Active Member
The church is to submit to Christ.
Does the church always submit to Christ?
No.
Is Christ always worthy of submission to?
Yes.
Do we always agree with what we are submitting to? Probably not. But is what we are submitting to abusive? I doubt it. It is for our discipline, maybe.

I wonder how this relates to the husband and wife thing.
 
Marcia

Marcia

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Originally posted by dianetavegia:
But God's WORD demands we submit to our husbands ... and yet Christian women refuse to obey God's word citing emotional examples of abuse, etc.

How can refusing to submit be anything less than sin?
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I was making the point that submission and obedience are different and God uses different words for the parent-child relationship from the husband-wife relationship. Nowhere is it intimated in scripture that a husband treat his wife as a child -- that she should obey like a child.
 
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Fishnbread

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No SaggyWomen Jesus Doesnt force us to submit to him as Christian's, neither does he force women to submit to there husbands. But that doesnt mean us rebelling isn't sin, don't you agree?
 
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SaggyWoman

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Submission is a form of an attitude of willingness and love. Because of my love for God, I submit to His will.

But the one thing I know about God is that He is sovereign and He loves me. That at times does not make obedience easier, but I know that God knows me and loves me and disciplines me and it will all work out for the good.

Though I beleive in submission to my would be husband, he ain't God. And at times, my would be husband would be wrong.
 
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Fishnbread

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I meekly ask you please don't it seem like that husbands are "blasphimus" because the Bible says for wives to obey them. because I know how far the blasphime consept will go and trust me on this. By the time it's over somone will have sinned.
 
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