Then, creation was not complete on the 6th day?Originally posted by Rooster:
what He is saying is when God created man, woman would be created from man too, but not till Genesis 2
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Then, creation was not complete on the 6th day?Originally posted by Rooster:
what He is saying is when God created man, woman would be created from man too, but not till Genesis 2
Originally posted by Timtoolman:
Then JOhn why even put in the order of authority, People to government, wife to husband, child to parent, slave to master? YOu have made those verses all meaningless. If we all submit to each other equally as you say then submit one to another is the end!
I vacuumOriginally posted by SaggyWoman:
I LOVE a man who vacuums.
Actually, Diane, Jesus Christ is the head of your household. Both of you submit to him in all areas, not just spiritual. That is probably why your marriage works. He loves you as required by scripture, and you submit to him as required by scripture. His loving you scripture has likely never put you in a position that would force you to compromise your duty to submission. I think many folks forget that.Originally posted by dianetavegia:
What part of 'head of his household' is not understandable? The husband is head in ALL areas, not just spiritual decisions!
Where does one draw the line? What if you decided you didn't want her to wear any clothes around the house? After all, it's not a sin, since it's the privacy of your own home. What if you decided you didn't want her using toilet paper? What if you decided she needs to dye her hair purple? What if she hates the color blue, and you tell her to go the Home Depot, get some blue paint, and paint the bedroom blue?Originally posted by Timtoolman:
if it is not a sin then she should submit.
So its a sin not too vote? Thats your stand? And what scriptures have I manipulated? [/QB][/QUOTE]Originally posted by Timtoolman:
A man that mistakenly thinks he can tells his wife she can't vote will order her around on any other issue and he has no scriptural right to do so. He would be disobedient which in itself is sin. So for people to say she doesn't have to obey him in sin just made the point. When we give an account we won't be able to point at the other spouse as Adam and Eve laid blame, he, my wife, she the serpent. They both were held accountable each for their own sin seperately. He obeys God, she obeys God. It works. This boils down to people manipulating others and trying to justify it by using their views, not God's word. That is sin too.
Where does one draw the line? What if you decided you didn't want her to wear any clothes around the house? After all, it's not a sin, since it's the privacy of your own home. What if you decided you didn't want her using toilet paper? What if you decided she needs to dye her hair purple? What if she hates the color blue, and you tell her to go the Home Depot, get some blue paint, and paint the bedroom blue?Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Timtoolman:
if it is not a sin then she should submit.
Where does one draw the line? What if you decided you didn't want her to wear any clothes around the house? After all, it's not a sin, since it's the privacy of your own home. What if you decided you didn't want her using toilet paper? What if you decided she needs to dye her hair purple? What if she hates the color blue, and you tell her to go the Home Depot, get some blue paint, and paint the bedroom blue?Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Timtoolman:
if it is not a sin then she should submit.
I vacuumOriginally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SaggyWoman:
I LOVE a man who vacuums.
Actually, what we're talking about is a man making expectations from his woman, when he should instead be doing what he is scripturally required of him. If he does this, then the wife/submission issue would be a non-issue.Originally posted by Timtoolman:
We are talking about a woman who loves the Lord...
That's not from the Bible. The Bible does not tell the wife to love or to obey her husband.Posted by Diane
Do you promise to love, honor and obey him, forsaking all others and holding only to him from this day forward?
You are 100% correct.Originally posted by Marcia:
Back to the original OP: I stick with my original answer. If the husband makes such a tyrannical demand of his wife, he is being rebellious toward God because he is not treating his wife with love.
Marcia, I beg to differ.Originally posted by Marcia:
That's not from the Bible. The Bible does not tell the wife to love or to obey her husband.
ad·mon·ishTitus 2: 3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things-- 4 that they admonish the young women to LOVE their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, OBEDIENT to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
Actually, what we're talking about is a man making expectations from his woman, when he should instead be doing what he is scripturally required of him. If he does this, then the wife/submission issue would be a non-issue.Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Timtoolman:
We are talking about a woman who loves the Lord...
Not disagreeing with you here that women are to submit but that does include obey. Yes the husbands can be wrong and not living for the Lord but where does it say not to submit to a husband who is not. No in fact it says she should submit so that he could be won by her actions not the word.Originally posted by Marcia:
Timtoolman, not all of us who disagree with you are talking about women's rights (I am not sure any of us are).
I am talking about what the Bible says about these relationships. Why do you think God uses the word "submit" instead of "obey" for wives?
Back to the original OP: I stick with my original answer. If the husband makes such a tyrannical demand of his wife, he is being rebellious toward God because he is not treating his wife with love.
Marcia, I beg to differ.Originally posted by Marcia:
That's not from the Bible. The Bible does not tell the wife to love or to obey her husband.
ad·mon·ishTitus 2: 3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things-- 4 that they admonish the young women to LOVE their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, OBEDIENT to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.