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Submissiveness

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Johnv

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Originally posted by Fishnbread:
Im sorry john maybe I got out of hand. I do think that husbands should not be unreasonable with there leadership. but I also think that if asked not to vote by her husband a woman should not vote, not because her husband's judgement is correct but because she does not want to be commiting rebellion.
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If a husband asks, then it's not requirement to comply, because it implies a choice. Arequest does not result in a compulsoty situation, and therefore it is not rebellion by not meeting the request. The only time it would be a matter of rebellion is if the husband leads in a spiritual matter (for example, telling his wife she may not commit adultery) and she refuses to comply. The husband has the requirement to have headship spiritually in all things.

I ask your forgivness?
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None required, as I don't feel you'd transgressed against me. Just trying to make sure we're on topic
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I Am Blessed 24

I Am Blessed 24

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This discussion will go on throughout the ages because it is a 'mystery'. The Bible even tells us this... ;)

For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

This is a great mystery : but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.
Ephesians 5:30-33
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reverence = a profound feeling of awe and respect

love = intense affection

obey = to comply with a command

submit = to surrender to the authority, discretion, or will of another

comply = agree or yield (as to a command)

surrender = to give up control or possession of to another on demand or under compulsion

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Timtoolman

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obey = to comply with a command

submit = to surrender to the authority, discretion, or will of another

Here is a greater mystery! :confused: HOw do you obey without doing? How do you submit to authority without obeying? Clintoneese, I guess? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dear Lord, I submit to your will, however due to the discrepency of the words obey and submit (which I can't really seperate, but hey they are spelled different!) I will not be obeying you.
 
I Am Blessed 24

I Am Blessed 24

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I didn't say anything like that!

I was just saying it is a mystery and gave definitions of words in the scriptures I quoted.

Are we getting angry here? Hope not. That is a sin too isn't it?
 
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Timtoolman

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Originally posted by I Am Blessed 16:
I didn't say anything like that!

I was just saying it is a mystery and gave definitions of words in the scriptures I quoted.

Are we getting angry here? Hope not. That is a sin too isn't it?
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No, not anger, true frustration though. I thought you were making the same pt Marcia was trying to make. That there was a big difference between submit and obey. Neither one has to be done, but they should be. I hope children aren't reading this topic, give them all kinds of ammo not to obey. ;) I am not angry at any though Blessed.


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Timtoolman

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Originally posted by I Am Blessed 16:
Thanks Tim - I still think you ought to let your wife vote...
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Okay, I will. She is on her way now. Why would I not let her vote?
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It was about another couple in our church. Thats okay though. People have assumed all kinds of things about me from this thread.
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Marcia

Marcia

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Posted by Timtoolman:
I thought you were making the same pt Marcia was trying to make. That there was a big difference between submit and obey. Neither one has to be done, but they should be. I hope children aren't reading this topic, give them all kinds of ammo not to obey. I am not angry at any though Blessed.
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This seems to confirm my thinking that you view the husband-wife relationship the same as the parent-child relationship. That is not found in scripture. And you told your wife who to vote for! What if she voted for someone else? Would you ground her? If she is to obey you like a child, then I guess you have to have discipline for her?
 
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Timtoolman

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[/QUOTE]This seems to confirm my thinking that you view the husband-wife relationship the same as the parent-child relationship. That is not found in scripture. And you told your wife who to vote for! What if she voted for someone else? Would you ground her? If she is to obey you like a child, then I guess you have to have discipline for her? [/QB][/QUOTE]

Marcia, know what. Try not to take this too harshly but what this confirms for me is that you are so rankled about this topic you have not even taken the time to read or follow up on the post. YOur facts are so screwed up that I am tired of repeating myself. Re-read and see if this is an issue between my wife (scrapper) and I. Also my remarks to Blesses. YOu will see they are tongue in cheek. Lord have mercy!!!
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Take care, Tim
 
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Elnora

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Tim, you know what gets me "rankled". People who twist the scripture for their own selfish reasons. Where does God's word give anyone the right to make demands? No one can give scripture. So since they cant they attack and belittle.

Then when people try to show them what the Word is really saying they make false accusations and accuse the brethren. But we are all washed in the precious blood of Christ of which there is no condemnation.
Look back through thes threads and see who is condemning. You might get a clue. People are trying to force their brothers to "get circumcized" (act of the flesh). Live by the law. We are to rebuke that. Have any you oppose falsely accused you? I don't think so. I have not. But we have been accused of all sorts of sin.
 
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Timtoolman

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Originally posted by Elnora:
Tim, you know what gets me "rankled". People who twist the scripture for their own selfish reasons. Where does God's word give anyone the right to make demands? No one can give scripture. So since they cant they attack and belittle.

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Well that is what we are doing on here. Challenging one another. I think scripture does give authority to people and w are told to obey. And not only that but Eph tells us why we should yeild to those God has placed in authority over us. Ther is no twisting for me. Submit is clear to me I like to see how others twist that. We have no rights or freedoms except those given us by God. It really is not about us but about Him. Amen?
 
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Elnora

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I don't mind people discussing God's word or even if they don't agree. What I get riled about is people trying to manipulate others with false accusations and fear tactics when their argument doesn't hold up. I have no problem with scriptural submission or disagreement.

I already stated that we serve God and are obedient because he loved us and submit as a result. Not try to beat people over the head with the law. We become as the Pharasees. And Jesus hated that, and no wonder, it puts people in bondage. Now anyone who wants to throw the law around best not break any part of it. For if we live by the law we are judged by the law.
 
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Elnora

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Wasn't you Saggy he moved to the "Is there a difference between unsubmissiveness and feminism?" thread.
 
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