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Sunday School or Small Groups

webdog

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I'm more worried about the words "Rick Warren" it can be kinda cultish. Sorry dog, I just had to say it.

Wasn't small groups invented by Warren? I've seen good and bad from them. Some of the small groups I was in when at a PD church met in homes and started using any materials they wanted, began drinking alcohol and really got out of hand with no accountability. And anyone was allowed to teach/lead.

Small groups started in Acts 2...unless you believe thousands went from home to home.
 

quantumfaith

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So who teaches the kids?

We have "environments" for those under adulthood.

Waumba Land for very young children
Upstreet for Elementary
Transit for Middle School
Extreme for High School

These environments include Bible Study (Sunday School) and corporate worship.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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We have "environments" for those under adulthood.

Waumba Land for very young children
Upstreet for Elementary
Transit for Middle School
Extreme for High School

These environments include Bible Study (Sunday School) and corporate worship.

So you do not think the parents have the responsibility to teach the kids?
 

Jerome

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13. Why is it that Primitive Baptists do not have Sunday Schools?

Answer: This ties in very closely with the previous question. The Lord put gifts in the church, and so the church has no more right to appoint someone to teach than they do to call a man to preach. We believe that "pastors and teachers" are one office. Children ought to be brought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord (Eph. 6: 4), but this is the responsibility of the parents in the home. The church cannot possibly do for a child in one hour a week what his parents should have been doing all week long. The Sunday School is another of man's inventions which is generally used as a "soul-saving" agency But it must be emphasized that Jesus the Saviour is the only soul winner and that man never has been able to do that work (Heb. 8 :11). Furthermore, we are taught that women are to keep silence in the churches (1 Cor. 14: 34), and this is ignored in most Sunday Schools and Bible Schools. The church should be taught by the pastor, who is to be a God-called man and who must be apt to teach even before being recognized by the church as an elder (1 Tim. 3: 2).

http://www.pbpage.org/html/pb_believe.htm
 

Jerome

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Hassells' History of the Church of God, from the Creation to A.D. 1885; Including Especially the History of the Kehukee Primitive Baptist Association:

wherever Missionary Societies, Bible Societies, Tract Societies, Sunday Schools,. . .and Theological Seminaries in America prevail, there the doctrine of Phariseeism (modernly called Arminianism) prevails, there the doctrine of saving the souls of men from sin and from hell by works which men may do for themselves and for each other prevails. There the mark of the Beast and there persecution prevail.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zg...="sunday schools" "mark of the beast"&f=false
 

Dr. Bob

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Our CHURCH is a "small group". All families home school, so 99% of typical SS material is not needed. We provide topics/study items for the families to use each week.

When our church grows too large (more than 50) we intentionally split. This maintains the small-group identity of the congregation.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Our CHURCH is a "small group". All families home school, so 99% of typical SS material is not needed. We provide topics/study items for the families to use each week.

When our church grows too large (more than 50) we intentionally split. This maintains the small-group identity of the congregation.[/QUOTE]

You intentionally split!!! WOW.....I agree with that, but do you find that in scripture? I do like your approach!!:thumbsup:
 

Yeshua1

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So you do not think the parents have the responsibility to teach the kids?

We do have the ultimate responsibility from the Lord,as He has chosen to entrust us with the children of his blessing to us, but still see no problem with ahving gifted/godly tewachers instructing kids and youths to supplememnt our teaching...

Would tend to see it like as adults, the pastors/teachers are gifted to expalin and instruct us in the bible, but should be a supplement to our own daily studies!
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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We do have the ultimate responsibility from the Lord,as He has chosen to entrust us with the children of his blessing to us, but still see no problem with ahving gifted/godly tewachers instructing kids and youths to supplememnt our teaching...

Would tend to see it like as adults, the pastors/teachers are gifted to expalin and instruct us in the bible, but should be a supplement to our own daily studies!

Isnt that the Job of the Head Pastor to teach & preach.....then the parents job to emphasize & reinforce with the children? That way you can monitor exactly how the kids are being fed, work with them personally & develop a much deeper & rich relationship with the entire family.....otherwise your having a 3rd party do it (what I believe to be the very important job of the parents).
 

Yeshua1

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Isnt that the Job of the Head Pastor to teach & preach.....then the parents job to emphasize & reinforce with the children? That way you can monitor exactly how the kids are being fed, work with them personally & develop a much deeper & rich relationship with the entire family.....otherwise your having a 3rd party do it (what I believe to be the very important job of the parents).

Again, we a the parentswould do the priamry leading/teaching of our children, but so NO prohibition in the bible against having them learn while in church also!
 

JonC

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When our church grows too large (more than 50) we intentionally split. This maintains the small-group identity of the congregation.

That’s interesting. I was speaking to my wife a day or so ago about this topic. We belong to a church which relocated to a larger facility and continued to grow. In many ways the size is now an obstacle – not only in regards to fellowship but also it has become a financial burden. Fifty years ago the church was in the same situation, but simply started a “sister church” across town (which is going strong). I can see a real advantage to your church strategy.
 

Tom Bryant

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Parents ought to teach their children. But we have lots of kids whose parents don't come to church because of all matter of reasons. We have children's SS classes and church.
 

Dr. Bob

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We have found in previous churches that some well-meaning SS teachers take the kids and actually teach wrong doctrine, undermine parents, have kids with peers (never leading to good) and truly came to dislike the whole graded-classroom mentality.

We are a family-integrated church. 8 months to 80+ years sitting and studying, singing and praying together. Joy to know that what they are taught comes from trained and called elders. Parents commit (dads) to teaching and modeling Bible for the family.

We cover all of central Wyoming, so as soon as 3-4 stable families are committed to an area, we can intentionally split. Our biggest problem is the horrific transient nature of work in the area. We have 3-4 professionals who are "here". The other will come for a year or two and then be shifted by oil/coal/energy to other areas or states. Very hard to establish a church plant 25 miles away, then have 2 or the 3 families move within 6 months. And the plant dies.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Parents ought to teach their children. But we have lots of kids whose parents don't come to church because of all matter of reasons. We have children's SS classes and church.

Tom.... I would have a serious campaign against the "Dump & Run" I would not put up with that. Id be knocking at those parents door.
 
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