Supralapasarian "Hyper-Calvinism" Defended

[Silverhair]

There is some truth in this. I think it was MacArthur who said that if you can read Edward's works on holy affections and come out still thinking you are a Christian you are doing very well. Owen spent much time teaching on examining yourself and avoiding apostacy and shipwreck. I have a book "Still Sovereign" which is from a Calvinist perspective but more modern and they joke that a non-Calvinist is worried whether they are saved or not and a Calvinist worries whether they are elect.

The thing is, the Calvinist literature that wants you to examine yourself definitely is expecting you to do something about it no matter how much the official teaching is that salvation is "all of God". There are "conditions" for salvation yet scripture does not seem to indicate that God provides the means then sits back passively to await whatever we do in response.

I find it funny that almost all strict Calvinists who put everything on election seem to think that they, by the way, are elect. The only exception I know of was William Cowper, whose story is so sad that it will just about make you cry.

I agree we should all be examining our lives, to many "Christians" fall into the, I'm saved so no worries mind set and drift into sin. @DaveXR650 you said God provides the means, I agree, but while He does not just sit back {see means} He also does not force anyone to believe in Him. So in that sense He does sit back passively and wait for our response.

 

[DaveXR650]

I agree, but while He does not just sit back {see means} He also does not force anyone to believe in Him. So in that sense He does sit back passively and wait for our response.[/QUOTE
I think there is a lot of overlap in how individual Christians perceive what is happening here. Ken I think would say that he indeed repented and believed but he would attribute that to a work of the Holy Spirit. Others would say that the while without the work of the Holy Spirit it won't happen - yet it is indeed possible for one to resist Him until grace is withdrawn. Others believe that we all naturally have the ability to understand the offer of the gospel and are responsible on our own to respond.

 

[DaveXR650]

@Silverhair
My previous post ended up mixed in with your quote. I don't know how I did that but I apologize.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That view is not found in the bible. It is something that man has read into the text.

My mistake then…

 

[Scarlett O.]

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