Swine flu deaths among US kids rising CDC says

[alatide]

Swine flu deaths among US kids rising CDC says
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CTV.ca News Staff
Date: Fri. Oct. 9 2009 3:54 PM ET

Child deaths from swine flu are rising in the United States, with 19 flu-related deaths reported in the last week alone, U.S. health officials said Friday.
"Nineteen more pediatric deaths for influenza were reported to us this week. We're now up to 76 children having died from the 2009 H1N1 virus," said Anne Schuchat, of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"To put that in context: in the past three years, the total pediatric influenza deaths ranged from 46 - 88. We've already had 76 children dying from the H1N1 virus and it's only the beginning of October," said Schuchat, who is the director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

She noted that 37 states now are reporting widespread swine flu cases, up from 27 a week ago. A week ago, reports suggested that cases might be leveling off and even decreasing in some areas of the country, but that did not turn out to be an enduring national trend.

"We are seeing more illness, more hospitalizations, and more deaths," she said.
The CDC doesn't keep an exact count of all swine flu deaths and hospitalizations. Existing reports suggest the virus has caused more than 600 deaths and more than 9,000 hospitalizations since first being identified in April.

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Some parents are playing politics with swine flu vaccinations. In reality, they're playing Russian roulette with their children's lives.

 

[KenH]

It's a tough call for parents to make. They just have to be comfortable with their decision whichever way they decide.

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/10/09/no-flu-shots-for-my-kids.html

 

[Revmitchell]

My family will not be getting any of it.

 

[alatide]

How many children have died from the vaccination versus the disease?

 

[donnA]

There is already a thread about this in another forum

 

[poncho]

How many children have died from the vaccination versus the disease?

There's no way to tell as it has already been shown on numerous occasions that the CDC has routinely exaggerated the numbers by adding cases of seasonal flu in along with "suspected" swine flu infections.

What part of the CDC lies don't you understand?

 

[alatide]

There's no way to tell as it has already been shown on numerous occasions that the CDC has routinely exaggerated the numbers by adding cases of seasonal flu in along with "suspected" swine flu infections.

What part of the CDC lies don't you understand?

These aren't "infections." These are deaths. What part of deaths don't you understand?

 

[poncho]

These aren't "infections." These are deaths. What part of deaths don't you understand?

And you know these deaths were caused by swine flu, because the CDC told you they were?

 

[alatide]

And you know these deaths were caused by swine flu, because the CDC told you they were?

And I should assume that they were unrelated to the swine flu just because you say so? What is your medical background? How much work have you personally done on investigating causes of potential epidemics?

Finally, you didn't answer my first question. How many children have died from taking the vaccination versus from the flu?

Here's an update:

The deaths of another 19 children and teenagers from the new H1N1 virus were reported in the past week around the country, including two in Maryland, pushing to 76 the number of fatalities this year among those under 18, officials said. It was the largest number of pediatric deaths reported in a single week since the pandemic began in the spring.

"These pediatric deaths seem to be increasing substantially," said Anne Schuchat, who heads the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.
While most of the children who have died have had other health problems that made them particularly vulnerable, such as asthma, muscular dystrophy and cerebral palsy, 20 to 30 percent were otherwise healthy, Schuchat said.
Between 46 and 88 children died from the seasonal flu in each of the past four years, so the fact that so many have already succumbed is disturbing, Schuchat said.

"It's only the beginning of October," she said, noting that the flu season usually starts much later and runs through May. "We saw a peak of deaths, you know, starting April, May, June. It started to level off this summer. Now it's starting to shoot up again."

You seem to have trouble believing anything the government says. Actually, I agree with you in many cases. I don't believe much of what the military says. I especially don't believe anything that came out of the 9/11 Commission. But medicine is something different for me. If you don't believe the doctors what are you going to do. I suppose you could become a Christian Scientist and refuse all modern medicine. Maybe you've already done that.

 

[poncho]

And I should assume that they were unrelated to the swine flu just because you say so? What is your medical background? How much work have you personally done on investigating causes of potential epidemics?

Finally, you didn't answer my first question. How many children have died from taking the vaccination versus from the flu?

Here's an update:

The deaths of another 19 children and teenagers from the new H1N1 virus were reported in the past week around the country, including two in Maryland, pushing to 76 the number of fatalities this year among those under 18, officials said. It was the largest number of pediatric deaths reported in a single week since the pandemic began in the spring.

"These pediatric deaths seem to be increasing substantially," said Anne Schuchat, who heads the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.
While most of the children who have died have had other health problems that made them particularly vulnerable, such as asthma, muscular dystrophy and cerebral palsy, 20 to 30 percent were otherwise healthy, Schuchat said.
Between 46 and 88 children died from the seasonal flu in each of the past four years, so the fact that so many have already succumbed is disturbing, Schuchat said.

"It's only the beginning of October," she said, noting that the flu season usually starts much later and runs through May. "We saw a peak of deaths, you know, starting April, May, June. It started to level off this summer. Now it's starting to shoot up again."

You seem to have trouble believing anything the government says. Actually, I agree with you in many cases. I don't believe much of what the military says. I especially don't believe anything that came out of the 9/11 Commission. But medicine is something different for me. If you don't believe the doctors what are you going to do. I suppose you could become a Christian Scientist and refuse all modern medicine. Maybe you've already done that.

Uh, I read the part in the CDC's and WHO's own papers where they admit to lying. I dunno about you but I'm just not one to take the word of admitted liars. Especialy admitted liars with an agenda. Whats the agenda you ask? A global control grid. What else? They want global martial law control, same as Al Gore and his "global warming" fruitcakes, and the Bush's "scare the wits out everyone with a super over hyped terrorist threat" fruitcakes.

No medical training needed to figure out this is just another super hyped up threat to centralize power and gain more control, internationally speaking. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[alatide]

Uh, I read the part in the CDC's and WHO's own papers where they admit to lying. I dunno about you but I'm just not one to take the word of admitted liars. Especialy admitted liars with an agenda. Whats the agenda you ask? A global control grid. What else? They want global martial law control, same as Al Gore and his "global warming" fruitcakes, and the Bush's "scare the wits out everyone with a super over hyped terrorist threat" fruitcakes.

No medical training needed to figure out this is just another super hyped up threat to centralize power and gain more control, internationally speaking. :smilewinkgrin:

I would admit the possibility of a global takeover threat but somehow I don't see the CDC and WHO as behind it. The Neo-Cons admitted that their primary objective was to maintain American world supremacy. An important part of that plan was to invade and occupy Iraq. In order to get American support they saw the need for a "new pearl harbor." The 9/11 attacks served nicely. I see Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Tony Blair (who's up for the Presidency of the European Union) as much more credible threats.

Do you have any real reason for suspecting the CDC and the WHO? What have they done compared to 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq?

 

[rbell]

OK, so now conservatives are responsible for swine flu?

Just when I think you can't get any more nutty, you exceed my expectations.

Good grief. Get that disorder checked, for crying out loud!

 

[Revmitchell]

Analysis of material by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by Dr. Russell Blaylock. (September 5, 2009)


Critical Observations:


•Doctor visits for flu are down from the level in April

•Total flu hospitalizations are similar or lower than for seasonal flu (yearly flu)

•The number of death secondary to flu and pneumonia is unchanged from yearly rate

•Only two states are reporting widespread infections—Georgia and Alaska. Other states report only regional or sporadic activity, meaning it’s not very contagious.

•There is no evidence that the virus has mutated at all anywhere in the world

•The virus remains susceptible to the drugs Tamiflu and Relenza.

•Only 43,771 cases have been reported in the United States. Because of poor reporting the CDC estimates that true numbers indicate that one million have been infected. Many people did not get sick enough to go to a doctor. Likewise, not all people are tested who go to a doctor.

•Of these 5,011 have been hospitalized and 302 have died.


Death Rates From the H1N1 Flu


•If we use the 43,771 figure and 302 deaths that means the death rate is 0.6%, an extremely low death rate for any flu.

•The percentage of hospitalized patients who died was 6%, again a very low incidence of death.

•Since the CDC estimates that one million have been infected, we must recalculate death rates. Using this more accurate figure, the death rate is in truth 0.03%, which means 99.97% will not die from this flu. Your chances of dying are incredibly low.


Age and Death Rates


We hear a lot about the unusual age distribution with this virus, especially as regards death rates, with the young being more affected than, as with seasonal flu, the elderly (90% of deaths are usually among those greater than 65 years old). The risks of becoming infected are as follows:


•Ages 5 to 24 y/o--------26.7 per 100,000 (0.027%)

•Ages 0 to 4 y/o ---------22.9 per 100,000 (0.023%)

•Ages 25 to 49-----------6.97 per 100,000 (0.0069%)

•Ages 50 to 64 y/o------3.9 per 100,000 (0.0039)

•Over 65 y/o-------------1.3 per 1000,000 (0.00013%)


And the risk of needing to be hospitalized are:


•Ages 0 to 4 y/o---------0.0045%

•Ages 5 to 24 y/o--------0.0021%

•Ages 25 to 45 y/o------0.0011%

•Over 65 y/o-------------0.0017%


This indicates that for all age groups, the risk of being hospitalized are far less than 1% and well over 99% of people will not need hospitalization. This explains why this infection is being downplayed by the virologists themselves, the ones who know most about the dangers of viruses.

The distributions of death also vary considerably by age. Below is the distribution of deaths according to age.


•Ages 25-49 y/o---------41%

•Ages 50 to 64 y/o-----24%

•Ages 5 to 24 y/o------16%

•Over age 65 y/o------- 9%

•Ages 0 to 4 y/o-------- 2%


So, we see that the greatest death rates in the extremely small fraction that die are between ages 25 to 49 and 65% are between ages 25 to 64. The least likely to die are babies up to age 4 years, yet they are targeted for vaccination and as we see from the above data, children below age 2 years get absolutely no protection from the flu vaccines.


http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

 

[rbell]

Great Scott! You're not supposed to use FACTS!

 

[alatide]

OK, so now conservatives are responsible for swine flu?

Just when I think you can't get any more nutty, you exceed my expectations.

Good grief. Get that disorder checked, for crying out loud!

I don't understand how you got that from my post. I do think that conservative parents who refuse to have their children take the vac. because they claim the vac. program is an Obama scheme to enslave them are risking their children's lives for nothing.

 

[tinytim]

The Mrs and I are struggling with this decision... I'll be honest..
Not because I am afraid of any conspiracy theory.. but because I don't trust the CDC, and FDA.. .

For instance.. everyday we see ads on TV from lawyers chasing people who had taken a once FDA approved medicine, and now have life threatening side effects...

Lawyers are making money off of lawsuits on drugs that our government has said is safe...

If I knew the vaccine was safe.. I wouldn't care for my children getting the vaccine...

But I don't know...
I will probably err on the side of getting them the vaccine anyway, knowing that they are ultimately in God's control...

but I don't trust the drug companies... CDC, or FDA... they have had a rich history of lying to people...

After I am lied to, I don't trust the liars...

 

[Crabtownboy]

I don't understand how you got that from my post. I do think that conservative parents who refuse to have their children take the vac. because they claim the vac. program is an Obama scheme to enslave them are risking their children's lives for nothing.

Yes, they are putting the lives of their children. at risk. I am utterly amazed at some comments in this thread. I hope and pray that no one here, or anywhere for that matter, looses a child to H1N1 ... but I know that if a futile hope.

 

[rbell]

Yes, they are putting the lives of their children. at risk. I am utterly amazed at some comments in this thread. I hope and pray that no one here, or anywhere for that matter, looses a child to H1N1 ... but I know that if a futile hope.

I'm not a "anti-virus" person. My kids are immunized with most of the inoculations available. They did receive the annual flu shot.

I have not agreed with every comment here.

However, some of us (at least me & my family) talked to our doctor about these issues. It also concerned him that the vaccine was being fast-tracked as it was. He also had several other concerns, of which I won't bore you with. But he did show me the stats that RM quoted earlier...and his suggestion was that they not get the immunization at this time.

This pediatrician is a strong Christian. He has an M.D., which makes him more qualified than you. He graduated first in his class, which likely means he is smarter than you. And finally, he has been our children's physician their whole lives (which included an extended bedside vigil with my daughter at her birth...when it looked as if she wouldn't survive)...so that makes him a better authority on my kids' needs than you. He advised us to take the seasonal shot, but not the H1N1.


So...be "amazed" all you want, put on your airs, and get that superior aura. Some of us actually think these things through (gasp!).

And how's this for "liberal and tolearant:" If you feel led to get yours immunized, knock yourself out. I support you. (funny when the "conservative" is more "progressive" than the "liberal.")

 

[Revmitchell]

It seems to be liberals beating this drum beat about the flu shots. I don't know why but the government is not always the answer. And the h1N1 is hyped beyond reason.

 

[Winman]

I would admit the possibility of a global takeover threat but somehow I don't see the CDC and WHO as behind it. The Neo-Cons admitted that their primary objective was to maintain American world supremacy. An important part of that plan was to invade and occupy Iraq. In order to get American support they saw the need for a "new pearl harbor." The 9/11 attacks served nicely. I see Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz and Tony Blair (who's up for the Presidency of the European Union) as much more credible threats.

Do you have any real reason for suspecting the CDC and the WHO? What have they done compared to 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq?

Yes, it's that evil Dr. Cheney who is infecting everyone with H1N1 flu to take over the world.