Synergist and Monergist: Better Terms

[Van]

We love God due to Him first loving and electing us!

Yet another utterly false claim with no scripture in support. We love God because He first loved us. But does that verse say anything about our love being conditioned on being chosen for salvation? Nope. On and on he posts, falsehood after falsehood accomplishing obfuscation and not edification.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yet another utterly false claim with no scripture in support. We love God because He first loved us. But does that verse say anything about our love being conditioned on being chosen for salvation? Nope. On and on he posts, falsehood after falsehood accomplishing obfuscation and not edification.

So jesus lied to us when he stated that he chose the Apostles first?

 

[Yeshua1]

Folks, did you see where Yeshua1 supported his claims or admitted he fabricated them? Neither did I. But did he continue to make claims and provide no reference to scripture? You bet.

Does the gospel with its message of lovingkindness draw all who behold Christ high and lifted up? John 12:32 Did Paul teach that everyone seeks God all the time? Nope. Did Paul teach we are not seeking God when we are sinning? You bet. So since there are none who seek God all the time, we are all under sin. We have all gone astray. Does that men we never seek God at any time? Nope.

So NONE of those references that I gave were in the Bible at all then?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Yet another non-response to John 6:37 which is speaking of being transferred into Christ. Instead, we get deflection. The meaning of the phrase must be determined by context

It is not only by context that the truth of Scripture is determined, but by comparing Scripture with Scripture, which is what I did. The devil can say, 'It is written,' but the Lord Jesus replies, 'It is written again' (Matthew 4:6-7).
But the context of John 6:37 is believing, which is equated with coming. "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and He who believes in Me shall never thirst' (v.35). To come to Christ is to believe or trust in Him for salvation and so it is in v.37.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Van]

So jesus lied to us when he stated that he chose the Apostles first?

Yet another utterly false claim with no scripture in support.. On and on he posts, falsehood after falsehood accomplishing obfuscation and not edification. I chose Honey Crisp Apples, so that means I chose them for salvation. What utter nonsense!

 

[Van]

So NONE of those references that I gave were in the Bible at all then?

What references, please provide a quote. None will be forthcoming. On and on he posts, one falsehood after another.

 

[Van]

It is not only by context that the truth of Scripture is determined, but by comparing Scripture with Scripture, which is what I did. The devil can say, 'It is written,' but the Lord Jesus replies, 'It is written again' (Matthew 4:6-7).
But the context of John 6:37 is believing, which is equated with coming. "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and He who believes in Me shall never thirst' (v.35). To come to Christ is to believe or trust in Him for salvation and so it is in v.37.

The context of John 6:37 absolutely requires that come to Me refers to being transferred into Christ. There are dozens of "come to Me" phrase usages referring to change of location. In verse 35 how do they consume the bread of life from afar? They don't. Therefore the very verse used demonstrates change of location is in view as the meaning of the phrase.

 

[Reformed]

Well, this thread is going to be closed in a few hours. I stopped participating about halfway through went it took a left turn at Albuquerque on its way to Pismo Beach and all the clams we can eat. I still hold to my use of the terms Monergist and Synergist because they are absolutely accurate in describing the two dominant views. I am not offended in the least by those who disagree with me, as they are entitled to their opinion as I am to mine. Thank you to all for a spirited discussion.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The context of John 6:37 absolutely requires that come to Me refers to being transferred into Christ. There are dozens of "come to Me" phrase usages referring to change of location. In verse 35 how do they consume the bread of life from afar? They don't. Therefore the very verse used demonstrates change of location is in view as the meaning of the phrase.

Proverbs 27:22. Back on ignore.

 

[thatbrian]

Well, this thread is going to be closed in a few hours. I stopped participating about halfway through went it took a left turn at Albuquerque on its way to Pismo Beach and all the clams we can eat. I still hold to my use of the terms Monergist and Synergist because they are absolutely accurate in describing the two dominant views. I am not offended in the least by those who disagree with me, as they are entitled to their opinion as I am to mine. Thank you to all for a spirited discussion.

It was a nice try, and well-meant. You tried to make a way for us to have a rational discussion, but the presuppositions held by most synergists cause them to go insane at the idea of God's sovereignty in election, so there can be no reasonable discussion.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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