"Targeting" and Soteriology

[Catalyst]

I think some people put more faith in what people tell them to believe about scripture, than they put in scripture itself.

 

[Iconoclast]

I think some people put more faith in what people tell them to believe about scripture, than they put in scripture itself.

i have not seen you post any scripture at all. So what are you talking about

 

[Alive in Christ]

Iconoclast...

You posted...

AIC,

Your posting has turned very strange.Back up what you say or stop saying it.

Here is a ((("News flash"))) for you Iconoclst.

Regarding posting, every poster on this board is completly independant, and gets to post however they want to, as long as they obey the rules. (no foul language, no personal attacks, etc)

Regarding my posting, I sometimes post scriptures, and other times I dont.

That is for ME to decide...not YOU. Capiche?

Thank you.

 

[Catalyst]

i have not seen you post any scripture at all. So what are you talking about

Its pretty sad if you don't identify paraphrases and addresses to my comments. Our little observation from your eagerness to stand up and defend calvinism, and most of your comments weren't matching the quotes you responded to.

If you would like to issue a calvinist exegetical, by all means, let's do so. So far you haven't tracked the English words, Greek words don't seem to be too promising.

Why don't you take your accusatory self back and address the rebuttals and actually converse with, or debate. Instead of trying to talk down, at me. Because you are making a fail poster so far.

Do you always just ignore any responses, rebuttals, comments, and cram your points on the table repeatedly? Cause seriously, I can get more engaging conversations at an atheist chat board. You are just ignoring anything you don't like and lecturing.

One of the moderators appropriately called me on a comment I made and pointed out this is a debate forum. Even if its just conversation, you still fail. You have to interact both ways for it to be a conversation, listen and talk, on both sides, else its a proversation, or schizophrenia when someone just talks with themselves.

So, care to join me and talk with me. Or are you going to stick to the talking down at me charade?

 

[Catalyst]

Icon, go back and read post 78, answer it, show me to be a fool, THEN you can condescend to me. Deal?

 

[Iconoclast]

Iconoclast...

You posted...




Here is a ((("News flash"))) for you Iconoclst.

Regarding posting, every poster on this board is completly independant, and gets to post however they want to, as long as they obey the rules. (no foul language, no personal attacks, etc)

Regarding my posting, I sometimes post scriptures, and other times I dont.

That is for ME to decide...not YOU. Capiche?

Thank you.

You have lost any credibility you might have had AIC. Sure you can post what you want to...but this is weak;

But regarding salvation, it is the decision of the seeker as to whether they will be saved or not.

God does not "flip a switch" somewhere to turn on his newest robot/christian.

I recommend you spend less time with your Calvinistic propoganda

Unworthy of a response

These are NOT people who have heard and rejected. These are people who never heard the gosple. Millions of people lived and died and never heard the gosple in any way or form

God being the supremely magnificent God He is has, aprarently not forgotten these ones, and will give then opportunity.

I gotta say, Van, you really have a way of efectively articulating the ridiculous, nonsensical absurdities and contradictions that are so prevalent in the false calvinistic theological system

not much here:sleep:

 

[Catalyst]

You have lost any credibility you might have had AIC. Sure you can post what you want to...but this is weak;

not much here:sleep:

Iconclast interpretation filter activated::

You have gone way above my ability to make a response,I will therefore insult you until I feel good about myself...

You can say what you will, but from this ooint forward, I'm out of my league and will keep silent.

I'm working my brain overtime and still don't understand. I'm getting sleepy.

 

[Iconoclast]

Icon, go back and read post 78, answer it, show me to be a fool, THEN you can condescend to me. Deal?

i am not here to condescend, or show someone to be a fool.if you have a scriptural question I will answer if I can. This is a bible based board.
Lets discuss the bible. You attacked calvinism. You offered no scriptural basis for your attack. why not learn about it first?

 

[Catalyst]

i am not here to condescend, or show someone to be a fool.if you have a scriptural question I will answer if I can. This is a bible based board.
Lets discuss the bible. You attacked calvinism. You offered no scriptural basis for your attack. why not learn about it first?

What a shame, you have worked so hard at it so far, the cindescending part. You remind me of my freshman yr in high school. I was slapped by a senior in the head, he said come here, did it again, he said come here, and did it again. That's what talking with you is like. Do you think you FLATTER ME, when you ignore all that was said, and just repeat how right u r and wrong I am?

You idolize a murderer that made doctrine from anthropomorphismsl. I understand the scripture just fine. You are the one making god seem to think like a human, not me.

I haven't attacked you, but you have insulted and condescended to me from square one. Go back and read the exchange.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

A1C,

He did. Unfortunately, he did.

Pinnock was one of the leading advocates of Open Theism. One of OT's main tenets is that God will offer those who die in their sins a second chance at salvation after death. It is a rather complicated theology and does interpretative gymnastics that would make Mary Lou Retton envious. Greg Boyd is another advocate of OT.

OT is, at its root, a denial of God's omniscience. We are seeing the denial of God's omniscience in some currently active threads. It is a dangerous doctrine that reduces God to man's level, or man up to God's level, depending on how you want to view it. OT is mocked by the prophet Isaiah:

Isaiah 46:9-11 9 "Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; 11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it. "​

I wouldn't call myself an open theist, but I like both Pinnock and Boyd, to a certain extent. But then again, I am not uncomfortable with the idea that I don't know all there is to know about God and never will know.

 

[Alive in Christ]

You have lost any credibility you might have had AIC.

Fine.

Iconoclast, I am not concerned at all regarding my credibility in your eyes.

My "modis opporendi" is to have little concern regarding the approval of men, and to be extremely concerned with my heavenly Fathers approval.

Its just the best way to live.

And I am going to choose to not post a scripture with that.

I'll let you find it all on your own.

 

[Catalyst]

I wouldn't call myself an open theist, but I like both Pinnock and Boyd, to a certain extent. But then again, I am not uncomfortable with the idea that I don't know all there is to know about God and never will know.

Man, this was a burst of fresh air. An oasis in the desert. Ty.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Man, this was a burst of fresh air. An oasis in the desert. Ty.

Thanks!

But you may feel differently about me when you read my responses to you in another thread.

Historical accuracy is very important, and I am passionate about theology and have strong beliefs, but theologically I am comfortable with a degree of mystery.

 

[Catalyst]

Thanks!

But you may feel differently about me when you read my responses to you in another thread.

Historical accuracy is very important, and I am passionate about theology and have strong beliefs, but theologically I am comfortable with a degree of mystery.

I may respond differently, but not think differently. As long as someone makes an effort, thinks enough to allow that they may learn something, then the rest is on me. You don't have to agree, but if you have any respect at all for me, if I'm wrong you will show me, botn what you think, and why my view errs.

You show you are capable, so there will always be hope!

(Now after all this melodrama, I'm due to say or do something really stupid)

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I may respond differently, but not think differently. As long as someone makes an effort, thinks enough to allow that they may learn something, then the rest is on me. You don't have to agree, but if you have any respect at all for me, if I'm wrong you will show me, botn what you think, and why my view errs.

You show you are capable, so there will always be hope!

(Now after all this melodrama, I'm due to say or do something really stupid)

Thanks; I appreciate your post and the manner of it.

Don't worry; stupidity is inherent in the human condition. If we were to stop being stupid, we'd stop being human.

 

[saturneptune]

I may respond differently, but not think differently. As long as someone makes an effort, thinks enough to allow that they may learn something, then the rest is on me. You don't have to agree, but if you have any respect at all for me, if I'm wrong you will show me, botn what you think, and why my view errs.

You show you are capable, so there will always be hope!

(Now after all this melodrama, I'm due to say or do something really stupid)

posted in error

 

[Catalyst]

Thanks; I appreciate your post and the manner of it.

Don't worry; stupidity is inherent in the human condition. If we were to stop being stupid, we'd stop being human.

Can't argue that one. My daddy always said, I was either the smartest dumb*** he ever knew of, or the dumbest smart***, he never decided which, though. I'm a living example of your statement.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Iconoclast...


It was late and I was kinda tired when posting my most recent posts to you. I meant to share this with you.

You keep saying you want scriptures.

Hmmm? Thats odd, because some time back I posted an entire page of scriptures, at your request, proving that men do indeed make freewill choices.

You basically ignored them.

2ndly, why should I bother posting scriptures for you, when..when you DO comment... all you do is ((mangle them)). You absolutly butcher them. Goodness, its like watching ((ARCHIE BUNKER)) interpret the scriptures. I guess thats why you "copy/paste" so much. Personally, I prefer being "real", and post conversationally, from the heart, along with the scriptures

To each their own, I guess.

 

[Catalyst]

..Oh, and by the way, Iconoclast, it was late and I was kinda tired when posting my most recent posts to you. I meant to share this with you.

You keep saying you want scriptures.

Hmmm? Thats odd, because some time back I posted an entire page of scriptures, at your request, proving that men do indeed make freewill choices.

You ignored them. Never commented.

2ndly, why should I bother posting scriptures for you, when..when you DO comment... all you do is ((mangle them)). You absolutly butcher them.

Goodness, its like watching ((ARCHIE BUNKER)) interpret the scriptures.

It's only funny because it's true.

Icon's game is to make bold proclamations, posture as if he were an authority, then run under the porch, tail between the legs if an argument that disagrees surfaces, he's not only harmless, he's purposeless. To this point anyway.

 

[Benjamin]

It's only funny because it's true.

... all you do is ((mangle them)). You absolutly butcher them. Goodness, its like watching ((ARCHIE BUNKER)) interpret the scriptures.

ROFLOL @ "Archie Bunker interpretations"... :laugh::thumbs: