Taxonomy of Fundamentalism (IFB)

[HankD]

Though I have frequented GARBC churches for the last several decades - I started out IFB.

Back in the 60's, I did volunteer work for Perry Rockwood (The People's Gospel Hour) helping to copy and distribute tapes. He has gone on to glory.

I'm not ashamed to be called a fundamentalist but I don't believe we can ever return to the days of JoJ's list.

HankD

 

[John of Japan]

Though I have frequented GARBC churches for the last several decades - I started out IFB.

Why is the GARBC not a kind of IFB?

Back in the 60's, I did volunteer work for Perry Rockwood (The People's Gospel Hour) helping to copy and distribute tapes. He has gone on to glory.

I remember him. I heard him preach at BJU.

I'm not ashamed to be called a fundamentalist but I don't believe we can ever return to the days of JoJ's list.

HankD

What would be different now from my list?

 

[HankD]

Why is the GARBC not a kind of IFB?

I remember him. I heard him preach at BJU.


What would be different now from my list?

GARBC - Well to be forthright I like the moderate view of most GARBC churches of personal practices.

When I began my walk with the Lord I attended a very strict church (no cards, no movies, no tv, no slacks for women, no "bobbed" hair for women, etc...). Of course that was almost 50 years ago.

Different from your list. - Even with the tight rules there was an "atmosphere" about my circle of independent churches that I enjoyed that seems to have dimished (when I vist) over the years - maybe its just me.

HankD

 

[John of Japan]

GARBC - Well to be forthright I like the moderate view of most GARBC churches of personal practices.

When I began my walk with the Lord I attended a very strict church (no cards, no movies, no tv, no slacks for women, no "bobbed" hair for women, etc...). Of course that was almost 50 years ago.

Different from your list. - Even with the tight rules there was an "atmosphere" about my circle of independent churches that I enjoyed that seems to have dimished (when I vist) over the years - maybe its just me.

HankD

Dad pastored a GARB church when I was in HS, but that was a long time ago. I enjoy the fellowship of the BMM missionaries here when I can, but other than that I've not had much contact with the GARBC in recent years.

I was told on furlough last year that there was some dissension in MI between more conservative churches and the others. Heard anything about that?

 

[Aaron]

True this is a not a IFB website. I know of other forums that are more geared towards IFB. Its not we hate you, its that we see the man made religion and the legalism of the IFB movement and have rejected it. Many IFB frown upon the Way of the Master which is bad. You know why? Because on the Way of the Master podcasts contemporary christian music songs are played, and CCM is heavily frowned upon in IFB churches and schools. I know as I went to BJU!!!! But my point is John is that why do IFB hate CCM so much? The theology of Way of the Master is rock gold, so why do they make such a big deal about the music????

I took my fiancé to see David Jeremiah last October and whenever the music was played she sat down and did not sing. David Jeremiah is very conservative, yet was not conservative enough in his music. She is a work in progress and I hope that she grows in the faith and learns the errors, fallacies, and legalism of the IFB movement. I mean come on David Jeremiah? He is a man of God, so why frown upon his music? Absurd. Also many IFB are very big on only using the KJV. Nothing wrong with the KJV, but the modern translations are better and use more accurate manuscripts. Why do they still use the KJV? Because of "tradition" mostly.

I have lots more objections to the IFB movement and you can read them here.

http://gracelifepulpit.media.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/deadright_.pdf

May I have the email of your fiance? I need to warn her against being unequally yoked with you. You are both in for a world of hurt if you marry and aren't agreed in matters of conscience, but you insist on trampling hers.

 

[HankD]

Dad pastored a GARB church when I was in HS, but that was a long time ago. I enjoy the fellowship of the BMM missionaries here when I can, but other than that I've not had much contact with the GARBC in recent years.

I was told on furlough last year that there was some dissension in MI between more conservative churches and the others. Heard anything about that?

No, the membership of the church I attend is only minimally aware that they are a GARB church. About the only time it surfaces is when the budget is passed with the line item for the fee.

But I do remember from many years ago a phase of paranoia (or so it seemed to me) when there was the cloud of suspicion hovering over even the most conservative of churches concerning their possibility of succumbing to "neo-evangelicalism".

I believe Harold Ockenga of Park Street Church in Boston was one of the first to receive that dubious title and heard a few fiery sermons about like-minded churches dropping like flies into the neo-evangelical pit (although I must admit in those days I was a fan of those fiery sermons).

Today, I'm afraid I would be numbered among them, though I privately/personally support separatism and contending for the faith (but not verbally beating up my brother (unless of course, he deserves it)).



HankD

 

[John of Japan]

No, the membership of the church I attend is only minimally aware that they are a GARB church. About the only time it surfaces is when the budget is passed with the line item for the fee.

Really! That's interesting.

But I do remember from many years ago a phase of paranoia (or so it seemed to me) when there was the cloud of suspicion hovering over even the most conservative of churches concerning their possibility of succumbing to "neo-evangelicalism".

I believe Harold Ockenga of Park Street Church in Boston was one of the first to receive that dubious title and heard a few fiery sermons about like-minded churches dropping like flies into the neo-evangelical pit (although I must admit in those days I was a fan of those fiery sermons).

Actually, Ockenga claimed to invent the term. (See his intro to Harold Lindsell's Battle for the Bible.) It's a common mistake nowadays to attribute the term to fundamentalists, but the NE movement was a conscious effort by evangelicals to distance themselves from fundamentalists.

Today, I'm afraid I would be numbered among them, though I privately/personally support separatism and contending for the faith (but not verbally beating up my brother (unless of course, he deserves it)).



HankD

Too much tearing down nowadays--among fundamentalists and everyone else!

 

[HankD]

Really! That's interesting.

Actually, Ockenga claimed to invent the term. (See his intro to Harold Lindsell's Battle for the Bible.) It's a common mistake nowadays to attribute the term to fundamentalists, but the NE movement was a conscious effort by evangelicals to distance themselves from fundamentalists.

Too much tearing down nowadays--among fundamentalists and everyone else!

Agreed, I like my present church which contends for the faith without being contentious.

Yes I remember Ockenga, the church he pastored was just down the street from the church where my wife and I were baptised together-
Tremont Temple Baptist Church.

A friend of mine and I would do street preaching (it was allowed then) and tract distribution in the Boston Common. Park Street Church was right across the street from the corner of the common.


HankD

 

[John of Japan]

Agreed, I like my present church which contends for the faith without being contentious.

Yes I remember Ockenga, the church he pastored was just down the street from the church where my wife and I were baptised together-
Tremont Temple Baptist Church.

A friend of mine and I would do street preaching (it was allowed then) and tract distribution in the Boston Common. Park Street Church was right across the street from the corner of the common.


HankD

Sounds like you have lots of good old memories!

 

[HankD]

Sounds like you have lots of good old memories!

And a couple of scary ones.

HankD