TEN Commandments - e.g. "do not take God's name in vain".. still moral law

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"
Romans 2 -- Paul makes the case "to the Jew FIRST and also to the gentile"

 

true. the moral law of God includes His TEN Commandments and we are under the moral law of God as Christians -- having the "LAW of God written on the heart" Jer 31:31-33 ... that moral law known to Jeremiah and his contemporaries.

Saved by grace through faith does not mean "saved by grace to go on taking God's name in vain" and even these pro-Sunday groups would agree.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

You are taking the 2nd commandment "as if" it should be ignored - by misreading it... is that really your intent.

There were angels engraved in the curtain between the Holy and Most Holy Place in the days of Moses as well as Angel images ON the mercy seat in the Most Holy Place. By your strained rendering - you make God and Israel violaters of the commandment as you try to render it.

Is that your intent?

The commandment you are not fully quoting says this --

4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

And KJV makes it much more opposed to Catholic practices by saying this -

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

they did not bow down to those Angel images NOR even bow down before them intending to bow to the Angelic beings they represented NOR did they claim to SERVE those angels -- but rather God.

So "given" that you DO agree that you are not to take God's name in vain today - (a commandment never mentioned in the NT) AND given that you agree Abraham was also not supposed to commit that sin - even though the commandment is not quoted at all in the book of Genesis -- we are inline with what many pro-Sunday scholars also say about all TEN of the TEN Commandments - written on the heart since they are included in the moral law of God.

 

Matt 7 "Judge not the that you be not judged" ... true before the cross... Col 2 it is true after the cross. "No change".

Taking God's name in vain -- a commandment never mentioned in the NT... but does not matter because it "applies anyway".

As for Sabbath for ALL MANKIND
"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23... Did God "get that wrong"???
"Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27 -- Did Jesus "get that wrong"???

Isaiah 56:1-8 GENTILES specifically blessed for keeping the Bible Sabbath.
Exodus 20:11 God says the Genesis 2:1-3 facts "alone" make the Sabbath obligatory for man.
Acts 18:4 BOTH Jews AND God-fearing gentiles in the Synagogues "every SABBATH" for Gospel preaching.

 

Matthew 11 is a statement by Christ before the cross -- Christ refuted the charge that He was breaking the Sabbath instead of agreeing with his accusers. How about -- we JOIN Christ in doing that.

In Matt 5 Christ condemned the notion that he came to set aside the Law of God ... How about -- we JOIN Christ in doing that.

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ condemned the practice of using church tradition to downsize/edit/set-aside even ONE of the TEN Commandments. How about -- we JOIN Christ in doing that.

Christ was spirit filled - AND was a Carpenter... but was not "making tables on the Bible Sabbath". Christ was not an "example" of rebellion against the Commandments of God.

Paul agrees with Christ in Romans 3:31

 

I think you will in fact affirm and defend them in that case.

Notice how Christ does that very thing in Mark 7:6-13:

6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 

Matthew 11 is a statement by Christ before the cross -- Christ refuted the charge that He was breaking the Sabbath instead of agreeing with his accusers. How about -- we JOIN Christ in doing that.

In Matt 5 Christ condemned the notion that he came to set aside the Law of God ... How about -- we JOIN Christ in doing that.

In Mark 7:6-13 Christ condemned the practice of using church tradition to downsize/edit/set-aside even ONE of the TEN Commandments. How about -- we JOIN Christ in doing that.

Christ was spirit filled - AND was a Carpenter... but was not "making tables on the Bible Sabbath". Christ was not an "example" of rebellion against the Commandments of God.

Paul agrees with Christ in Romans 3:31

Some people do argue that we should ignore the teaching of Christ as Christians... I never do that. In fact I strongly oppose that doctrine.

My point is that in Matt 11 we are "before the cross" which is before any sort of "excuses" about the Ten Commandments being deleted or any such thing. Only the most extreme Bible-deniers would argue that Jesus was preaching rebellion against God's Commandments before the cross. Thus we have a case where ALL can agree that the rest promised in Matthew 11 is not a Sabbath-denying "do secular work on Saturday" argument by Christ. He Himself - a Carpenter .. was walking in obedience.

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It is - the leaders of the one-true nation-church of Christ's day are being addressed in Mark 7:6-13.. as they attacked the "Commandments of God" with their own "man made tradition" and Jesus made it clear that the "Commandments of God" in that case were the "TEN Commandments"

The SAME one we find in Ephesians 6:2 as "THE FIRST commandment WITH a promise" -- which is only true of the TEN Commandments. So both Paul and Christ are in agreement referring to them as the "Commandments of God".

Christ said in Mark 7 "The Commandment of God" and "Moses Said" and "The Word of God" were all the same and that one example of that was the 5th commandment.

You "quoted you" in your "privately own them" statement. The actual Commandment says "not to bow down to them nor SERVE them". They were not bowing down to the angel images in the temple NOR where they promising to serve those angelic beings that the images represented.

Instead of the "insert" you offer - the text points very specifically to the problem.

As we all know - it is "still a sin today" - to take God's name in vain... even for Christians.

This is irrefutable.

And you have free will to choose rebellion against the Commandments of God if you wish.

Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

 

A great many in these groups would also choose to join you in that affirmation --

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

Moses did not write with verse divisions or numbers... or even chapter divisions.

"The THEM" of verse 5 show that 4 and 5 are the same command

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
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